How bad is corruption in China ? (Temprarily Closed)

broadsword · Oct 11, 2015

Chinese corruption fugitive repatriated from Malaysia
October 11, 2015

BEIJING, Oct. 11 -- A Chinese corruption suspect who fled to Malaysia in 2012 has been repatriated to China, the top anti-graft body said on Sunday.

Zhan Zaisheng, on a list of 100 most-wanted Chinese fugitives abroad released by China in April, was captured by Chinese police in Malaysia and was transferred back home during the National Day holiday, said the Communist Party of China's Central Commission for Discipline Inspection (CCDI).

Zhan is thought to be the 13th on the list to be captured so far.

According to another report by China News Service, Zhan, a former banking official born in 1962, was found profiting from illegally raised funds involving more than 680 million yuan.

SamuraiBlue · Oct 11, 2015

This is basically kidnapping since the Chinese authorities does not have any investigation rights on foreign soil. The correct procedure would have been to notify the Malaysian police to apprehend the fugitive and extradite the suspect back to PRC for proper trial.

Blackstone · Oct 11, 2015

SamuraiBlue said:
This is basically kidnapping since the Chinese authorities does not have any investigation rights on foreign soil. The correct procedure would have been to notify the Malaysian police to apprehend the fugitive and extradite the suspect back to PRC for proper trial.

You're trying way too hard to frame Chinese police actions in bad lights. It's entirely possible Chinese law enforcement coordinated with Malaysian law enforcement on joint operations, and since that happened with Thai authorities on a different case, it's reasonable to believe similar arrangements were made with Malayan authorities too.

SamuraiBlue · Oct 11, 2015

Who is trying to frame whom?

I only made comments on the article at hand in which it reports and I quote;

Chinese fugitives abroad released by China in April, was captured by Chinese police in Malaysia and was transferred back home during the National Day holiday,

Does it mention anything about involvement of Malaysian police or any joint investigation in which that is also not possible since again PRC police does not have investigation rights in foreign soil the best they can do is to become advisor or observers.
In the future I suggest to refrain from posting emotional comments.

montyp165 · Oct 11, 2015

SamuraiBlue said:
Who is trying to frame whom?

I only made comments on the article at hand in which it reports and I quote;

Does it mention anything about involvement of Malaysian police or any joint investigation in which that is also not possible since again PRC police does not have investigation rights in foreign soil the best they can do is to become advisor or observers.
In the future I suggest to refrain from posting emotional comments.

The United States has and does carry out independent law enforcement operations in foreign countries like the DEA in Thailand or Columbia for example, so it is hardly a situation without precedent for China to operate similarly against Chinese nationals suspected of crimes.

Blackstone · Oct 11, 2015

SamuraiBlue said:
Who is trying to frame whom?

I only made comments on the article at hand in which it reports and I quote;

Does it mention anything about involvement of Malaysian police or any joint investigation in which that is also not possible since again PRC police does not have investigation rights in foreign soil the best they can do is to become advisor or observers.
In the future I suggest to refrain from posting emotional comments.

So if the article doesn't mention Malaysian involvement, your first impulse is 'China must have kidnapped foreign nationals in their land' instead of the article wasn't clear about the arrest? Sounds unjust to me. You should withhold judgement until more facts come in.

SamuraiBlue · Oct 11, 2015

I believe both examples were during war and/or when there was no efficiently running government in which neither fits Malaysia at the moment.

SamuraiBlue · Oct 11, 2015

Blackstone said:
So if the article doesn't mention Malaysian involvement, your first impulse is 'China must have kidnapped foreign nationals in their land' instead of the article wasn't clear about the arrest? Sounds unjust to me, and you should withhold judgement until more facts come in.

Basically you are barking up the wrong tree if you want to criticize, criticize the article and publisher to run such error stricken news reporting. As I said your emotion is getting the best of you.

Blackstone · Oct 11, 2015

SamuraiBlue said:
Basically you are barking up the wrong tree if you want to criticize, criticize the article and publisher to run such error stricken news reporting. As I said your emotion is getting the best of you.

SamuraiBlue, I'm trying to have a civilized conversation with you and you're not making it easy. Does reasonable debate sounds good to you? If so, let's ditch the elementary school name-calling and debate on facts and substance.

I call you out because you made a serious charge, without evidence to back it up. In rational discussions, he who make charges must furnish proof. So, I say your "kidnap" charge is baseless without evidence. What say you?

SamuraiBlue · Oct 11, 2015

Blackstone said:
SamuraiBlue, I'm trying to have a civilized conversation with you and you're not making it easy. Does reasonable debate sounds good to you? If so, let's ditch the elementary school name-calling and debate on facts and substance.

Civilized? When your opening comment is ;

You're trying way too hard to frame Chinese police actions in bad lights.

I hardly think accusing someone in their first sentence as civilized.

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