Hong-Kong Protests

gelgoog said:

I doubt the price of real estate and rents in HK will improve significantly. The private construction sector has just too much pull in Hong Kong and they haven't become rich with cheap housing. I doubt the central government will try to significantly change this situation since it's not their usual way of doing things in HK.

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The hardship faced by many Hong kong residents are real, but that is mainly the fault of capitalists billionaire housing developers in Hong Kong. Their focus is on making big money with expensive housing of ridiculously tiny apartments, they don't care the welfare of the housing residents. This is a big contrast with Singapore housing.

The Hong Kong SAR government should learn from the Chongqing city. Chongqing has more hills than Hong Kong yet they have develop the city with common people in mind. They built lots of bridges, roadways, railways for the benefit of the people, and opening up opportunities for people to make better leavings.

In Hong Kong the city hardly change for last few decades. The local government is very friendly to big businesses but neglect the common people on the streets. New developments are few and are built and operated by capitalist to make money.

Besides streets economy and housing, local educations from year one to universities were infiltrated by anti-China educators, many were from US and Western countries. Students were brainwashed to reject their Chinese identity and object to using putonghua among them. Fortunately the current education system has reversed this.

I have many ex-colleague from Hong Kong and worked in Mainland China. I like many of them but unfortunately many actually looked towards UK, Canada and US as their destination to settle down.

The expensive housing, high costs of living plus brainwashing from the West caused the mass protests. The hardcore ones who reject their Chinese identity and nationality have mostly emmigrated.

Hong Kong SAR government should change to People's government, they don't have to change current policies on international businesses. What they need is to allocate government funds on building more and better facilities, and open up the mountains and hills in Northen Hong Kong, i.e. the New Territoty, and develop them similary to the mountain city of Chongqing.

I do think Hong kong government has to think about what will be hong kong's unique selling point compared to tier 1,2 or 3 cities and mainland exchanges, if China opens up even more.

How will Hong Kong attract talent(global and mainland) if one has to pay like $1.8~2.2k rent a month you can get like 40~55m2 in hong kong but the same rent amount will get you like 60~85m2 in shanghai if i did my research well. I see a lot of old buildings on Hong Kong sites that show their age.Only big advantage i can really give Hong Kong is you need less digital bullshit like VPN to stay in contact with family who are active on western social media compared to mainland tier 1, 2 and 3 cities.

Life sentence/ Labor camp candidate

daifo said:

Life sentence/ Labor camp candidate

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Something I noticed about this individual is that he seriously thinks he is going the world a service by being an open traitor to China when China literally is in control of HK from 1996 onwards. I can’t imagine how dumb that it must be to continue to mouth off to China despite the fact that a wiser person should’ve skipped town the moment the nation security law went into action and shut up completely when it is utterly obvious that the jig is up. Given the US past history of throwing its pawns out to dry, like Zelensky when the time is appropriate for them to do so, I thought he would’ve been smarter. Guess his intelligence must be similar to all those leaders of the rioters that still choose stay in HK despite being obviously tagged, meaning that is not very high

jiajia99 said:

I can’t imagine how dumb that it must be to continue to mouth off to China despite the fact that a wiser person should’ve skipped town the moment the nation security law went into action and shut up completely when it is utterly obvious that the jig is up.

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Jimmy Lai was charged with criminal intimidation and illegal assembly before there were any public discussions of a possible national security law. While Jimmy Lai was later acquitted of the criminal intimidation charges a few months later, the national security law was issued during the trial period, and he was prevented from leaving Hong Kong while the trial was going on.

jiajia99 said:

Something I noticed about this individual is that he seriously thinks he is going the world a service by being an open traitor to China when China literally is in control of HK from 1996 onwards. I can’t imagine how dumb that it must be to continue to mouth off to China despite the fact that a wiser person should’ve skipped town the moment the nation security law went into action and shut up completely when it is utterly obvious that the jig is up. Given the US past history of throwing its pawns out to dry, like Zelensky when the time is appropriate for them to do so, I thought he would’ve been smarter. Guess his intelligence must be similar to all those leaders of the rioters that still choose stay in HK despite being obviously tagged, meaning that is not very high

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I’m afraid a lot of Chinese live under that delusion. Just seeing some of those Hong Kongers that got to leave for England. One I saw in a news interview thought he couldn’t be evicted when he couldn’t pay his rent. Or look at the blind lawyer. He was poison pill for Hillary Clinton. Unless he was being paid by the US for causing trouble, the guy didn’t deserve any special treatment that he seemed to have expected getting to the US.

TLDR of the tweet:

Apparently during the height of the protests in 2019. An attack involving the usage of firearms and explosives against the police and blue establishments was planned by HK protestors on 8th December. The goal was to kill as many officers and pro government supporters and causing as much chaos as possible in an attempt to trigger a collapse of the HK govt. The participants went overseas to Taiwan where they received training.

Fortunately they were caught and the attack was foiled by HKPF. More details would be revealed this week as the tweet claims.

Not sure how true this is...but if it is I would not be surprised. All participants in this planned attacked must be severely punished. Life sentences or death penality preferably(not too sure about this last one since it could turn them into martyrs)

LKK815 said:

TLDR of the tweet:

Apparently during the height of the protests in 2019. An attack involving the usage of firearms and explosives against the police and blue establishments was planned by HK protestors on 8th December. The goal was to kill as many officers and pro government supporters and causing as much chaos as possible in an attempt to trigger a collapse of the HK govt. The participants went overseas to Taiwan where they received training.

Fortunately they were caught and the attack was foiled by HKPF. More details would be revealed this week as the tweet claims.

Not sure how true this is...but if it is I would not be surprised. All participants in this planned attacked must be severely punished. Life sentences or death penality preferably(not too sure about this last one since it could turn them into martyrs)

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1782225671399588293

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But this is stupid. If they collapsed the Hong Kong government, which is run by British-leaning weirdos in those ridiculous wigs, then the only thing that could happen would be that the PRC would take over and establish their branch, which would be militarily protected. Not that it would work, but they didn't even have any basic plans to hold the government afterwards; they just wanted to conduct an attack and "melt away into the crowd." That opens everything to an advanced PRC total takeover date.

LKK815 said:

TLDR of the tweet:

Apparently during the height of the protests in 2019. An attack involving the usage of firearms and explosives against the police and blue establishments was planned by HK protestors on 8th December. The goal was to kill as many officers and pro government supporters and causing as much chaos as possible in an attempt to trigger a collapse of the HK govt. The participants went overseas to Taiwan where they received training.

Fortunately they were caught and the attack was foiled by HKPF. More details would be revealed this week as the tweet claims.

Not sure how true this is...but if it is I would not be surprised. All participants in this planned attacked must be severely punished. Life sentences or death penality preferably(not too sure about this last one since it could turn them into martyrs)

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1782225671399588293

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Hmmm given the timing of such a news and how the USA is bogged down in so many places, it seems that China is piling on the pressure on the USA at a time when the USA can ill afford to anger China given its rather delicate situation right now on almost every front. Really, the more these news come out about the USA being a state sponsor of terrorism, the more likely that one day, the USA will ultimately be designated as a pariah state what is indeed a state sponsor of terrorism/genocide and one can wonder what kind of damage this would be to the nation on top of all its economic and debt issues. Times are not looking good for the USA in the coming days

LKK815 said:

TLDR of the tweet:

Apparently during the height of the protests in 2019. An attack involving the usage of firearms and explosives against the police and blue establishments was planned by HK protestors on 8th December. The goal was to kill as many officers and pro government supporters and causing as much chaos as possible in an attempt to trigger a collapse of the HK govt. The participants went overseas to Taiwan where they received training.

Fortunately they were caught and the attack was foiled by HKPF. More details would be revealed this week as the tweet claims.

Not sure how true this is...but if it is I would not be surprised. All participants in this planned attacked must be severely punished. Life sentences or death penality preferably(not too sure about this last one since it could turn them into martyrs)

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1782225671399588293

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Sorry, but this is pretty much BS fantasy mixed in with elements of reality.

True elements
- USG did provide funding to rioters directly and indirectly through intermediaries like Jimmy Lai.
- There are a lot of "trainers" on Taiwan who claim to be military/ex-military/specialists etc. doing hand-to-hand combat classes, "firearms" classes (with airsoft), such as Kuma academy. They are essentially just LARPers and not really tied to the military.
- Some bomb making materials were recovered from some investigations

All the other stuff was basically China Collapse/HK Independence fanfic. Yes, these guys actually probably believed in this stuff, but pretty much on par with the US rednecks who think they will do their part to take down the deep state by shooting down USAF F-16s with their AR-15 because it has a really good scope. Huge difference between what they believe (or wanted to happen) vs. reality. Someone once posted a Taiwan comic with a woman pilot that shoots down 10 J-20s with her F-16.

Honestly, if you think about it objectively, life imprisonment is unnecessary. You imprison them for 5 years, even 3 years. Who will hire them? One of them was already an 22-yo unemployed guy. Probably an underachieving-incel type. No surprise they would hatch an anti-social plot.

PS. No death penalty in HK.