Hong-Kong Protests

Gatekeeper

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Problem is they don't have a China next door to them. All they can do is what London is for. Or maybe their pitch is they're the UK's gateway to China... Love how this guy thinks Hong Kongers are a precious commodity that everyone wants. Five hundred thousand Hong Kongers in a city in a European country... I remember reading how Ireland had a very low murder rate. Then one day I read of a murder in Ireland. The victim was Asian. Maybe Connor McGregor can have a daily exercise routine of beating up Hong Kongers in the morning everyday.

More propaganda piece from MSM to demonized China for domestic consumption. The journalist knows this is never going to take off in a million years, and everyone would've forgotten about it soon enough. But the hit on China is immediate, keeping Hong Kong, and big bad China in the headlines.
 

Gatekeeper

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How will they get their Filipina maids in there or will they exploit Irish women...? And then Irish men will march into town with pitchforks and torches and wipe them out. The Chinese Exclusion Act in the US was started by the Irish in the US who charged Chinese were stealing their jobs. Ever since I was a kid, I would hear people complain about Chinatowns and Asian supermarkets. Why? Because Asians are supposed to make white people money. Having their own stores was making other Asians rich not white people so they saw it as unpatriotic. It also meant Asians were creating jobs for themselves and not taking away jobs from white people but noooooo, they still want to complain. It's called looking for an excuse to hate. Traditional Chinatowns were the ghettos where Chinese were only allowed to live and now they're angry because they exist. It's the Chinese that don't want to assimilate. They always find an excuse to hate.

Back in my activists days, people who claim to be of Irish heritage would tell me how Irish people were treated like dirt to counter me. And I said, "What are you telling me for? Go blame the British". Asians didn't do anything to the Irish yet in his own hierarchy of his mind he's saying that the Irish are more important victims so I should shut up. I don't know if people in Ireland are like the Irish in the US but when you see Connor McGregor... A bunch of snobby Hong Kongers in Ireland aren't going to last long. There's no China there to make money for the UK so they'll be taking their jobs. Maybe Hong Kongers are so arrogant they think they'll still have access to China after biting the hand that feeds them. The only Hong Kongers that would be in this city are haters of Chinese.

It's going to be one hell of culture shock, providing this guy gets his wish (as I said, it's purely sensationalism to demonized China).

Like in another forum when I was in during my absence, people there arguing that up to 300,000 Hong Kongers coming to the UK makes no difference to the racial unity of this country. These people likes in another world. I'm old enough to remember the last time a large (28,000 south Asians) influx of immigrants coming to the UK and the problems that had caused. The racists are litually frothing from their mouths. Even the recent Brexit debacles have them all out, and air their hatred as if it's normal in a civilised society. (Look at what happened in the USA now.)

Now in Ireland (EIRE), the Irish still haven't forgive the British about their potato faming. Their Easter uprising, etc. It just got underground. I've Irish friends at university. It won't take long for this grievances to pop up in conversation. My ex-sister in law is also Irish, and boy did I have to hear it. When I was living in London near Kilburn. They are pubs you simple don't dare to walk into.

So the point I'm making is, good luck in building the Hong Kong commune, and have your kumbaya.
 
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Mr T

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Would Hong Kongers think that such a situation there, would be a price worth paying to allow a few hot heads to run for political office?

I'm not sure that the CCP establishing military checkpoints would be a proportional response to Alvin Yeung being re-elected. There's simply no need for troops on the streets of Hong Kong or dividing communities. Whereas in Northern Ireland, the security situation had got so bad that the RUC was completely incapable of dealing with it. Civilians were being murdered every day, from both the Protestant and Catholic communities. There's not a problem like that in HK, except the usual criminality unrelated to the protests perpetrated by the Triads and other criminals. If it were even half as bad as 1960s Northern Ireland, the money in HK would have long disappeared.

Moreover, the fact that troops were taken off the streets of Northern Ireland only after a political settlement that was negotiated with all the parties - including Sinn Fein/the IRA - and concessions being made by the UK government shows that force will only get you so far.

People like Alvin Yeung being elected/re-elected isn't going to lead to HK being torn apart. If anything, a fair and open election is the best way to avoid further violence. If HKers decide that the elections are a sham because Opposition candidates are being disqualified to give the pro-CCP establishment parties a better chance of winning, they're more likely to return to the streets.
 

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I'm not sure that the CCP establishing military checkpoints would be a proportional response to Alvin Yeung being re-elected. There's simply no need for troops on the streets of Hong Kong or dividing communities. Whereas in Northern Ireland, the security situation had got so bad that the RUC was completely incapable of dealing with it.

There you have guys, completely missed the point of Sampanviking's post.
 

Mr T

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Hong Kong is to postpone September’s legislative election by one year owing to a resurgence in
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, Chief Executive Carrie Lam announced on Friday. The leader will invoke the Emergency Regulations Ordinance to hold off the vote – a decision she said was supported by Beijing.

So the disqualifications are all academic because the elections won't be happening. For some reason they need to be postponed for a whole year. After all, no other countries have been able to hold elections this year during the pandemic. Apart from Singapore. And South Korea. And Mali. And Serbia. And Croatia. And.. well actually it's a long list.

I can only conclude that Hong Kong is either so incredibly badly run that it needs a whole year to put mitigation factors in place, or that Lam has decided the best way to avoid losing the LegCo election is simply not to hold it. Neither seems good to me.
 

Nutrient

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Except that as things stand the pro-CCP establishment would retain their majority because they'd have walk-over elections where the Opposition candidates were blocked from running.

I will answer you one more time.

If the pro-US faction in Hong Kong has no chance of winning without fielding candidates who spend a lot of US dollars, the faction's true appeal to Hong Kongers must be very low. Also, by taking US money, the faction is proving that it's not exactly corruption-free.
 

Mr T

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If the pro-US faction in Hong Kong has no chance of winning without fielding candidates who spend a lot of US dollars, the faction's true appeal to Hong Kongers must be very low.

Hong Kong has spending limits for elections. If pro-democracy candidates were accused of spending over the limit they could be prosecuted and have their election invalidated. Let's not pretend that the HK government would be reluctant to take action given all it has done to frustrate the Opposition in the past.

As I've said before, let HK people decide rather than limit their choices.

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Not delaying the election is eroding democracy
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Once you go across the Pacific, things become different

The Wisconsin primaries weren't delayed. They took place in April as planned.

You're not confusing a court case brought by private individuals with the views of people that say the HK elections can go ahead this year, are you? Also even the plaintiffs in Wisconsin wanted a 2 month extension for mail-in ballots. They didn't want anything close to a year's delay.
 
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supersnoop

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There you have guys, completely missed the point of Sampanviking's post.

The point was already missed when he said they are not barred from running, but are barred from actually taking office.

“The mall is totally open, but all the stores are closed”

Not only that, if you go back a number of pages ago, “oath taking is not a big deal, CCP overstepped the boundaries when they intervened on the oath taking...”
 
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