Hong-Kong Protests

AssassinsMace

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The remarks suggested Beijing has constrained the
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government’s response to months of mass protests, plunging the semi-autonomous territory into its worst political crisis since it was returned to Chinese control in 1997.
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Oh so Beijing has been holding the Hong Kong authorities back from acting against the protestors earlier? The anti-China crowd really must be frustrated that they can't comprehend clearly where Beijing choosing not to act against protestors is some sort of knock against China?
 
plawolf

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Guys, just ignore the obvious troll with the throw away tag. What serious account ends in 1234?

That seems to me like the person making that throw away account and inflammatory comments cares as much about the people of HK as he/she does about their account name, much like the MSM, who while loudly cheering on the idiot protestors publicly, privately would love nothing more than to see them all shot on the streets so they can get gore-drenched pictures to put on their front pages to better peddle their China-hating agenda.

No use trying to reason with such fanatics as their bias and hate are proof against even the most patient and reasoned points.
 
solarz

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AssassinsMace said:
Oh so Beijing has been holding the Hong Kong authorities back from acting against the protestors earlier? The anti-China crowd really must be frustrated that they can't comprehend clearly where Beijing choosing not to act against protestors is some sort of knock against China?
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Actually, I interpret Lam's remarks as she wants to give in to the rioters, but Beijing would not allow that.

I would not put too much stock in her remarks about Beijing not intervening. Lam is clearly enamored with the West and may very well be seeing only what she wants to see. China is not going to suffer any reputation damage by restoring order to the city.
 
vincent

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plawolf said:
Guys, just ignore the obvious troll with the throw away tag. What serious account ends in 1234?

That seems to me like the person making that throw away account and inflammatory comments cares as much about the people of HK as he/she does about their account name, much like the MSM, who while loudly cheering on the idiot protestors publicly, privately would love nothing more than to see them all shot on the streets so they can get gore-drenched pictures to put on their front pages to better peddle their China-hating agenda.

No use trying to reason with such fanatics as their bias and hate are proof against even the most patient and reasoned points.
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Their delusions are real:
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China could change, speculates Lai. "That doesn't mean that the Communist Party will collapse," he adds. "But it might mean that Xi would have to step down and a more liberal government will take over and slowly we will be on the right way." But there is no sign of this happening anytime soon.

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Real democracy can only happen with the overthrow of the Communist Party. We are now opening the door to their destruction. Hong Kong is [China’s] most important living organ. If Hong Kong collapses, it’s immediately “game over” for the communists.

With rabid prejudice toward mainlanders (locusts that eat up natural resources, uncultured savages, uneducated hillbillies) and open call for session, how can anyone with a brain expects sympathy from mainlanders, let alone supporting their causes (with 1.4 billion people, there maybe a few with no brain)
 
solarz

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vincent said:
Their delusions are real:
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China could change, speculates Lai. "That doesn't mean that the Communist Party will collapse," he adds. "But it might mean that Xi would have to step down and a more liberal government will take over and slowly we will be on the right way." But there is no sign of this happening anytime soon.

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Real democracy can only happen with the overthrow of the Communist Party. We are now opening the door to their destruction. Hong Kong is [China’s] most important living organ. If Hong Kong collapses, it’s immediately “game over” for the communists.

With rabid prejudice toward mainlanders (locusts that eat up natural resources, uncultured savages, uneducated hillbillies) and open call for session, how can anyone with a brain expects sympathy from mainlanders, let alone supporting their causes (with 1.4 billion people, there maybe a few with no brain)
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Unfortunately, it is not just the rioters and their sympathizers who are deluded. Even Lam is quite deluded.
 
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Come on guys, now is not the time to knock Carrie Lam! Now is the time to show unity! It was the former world power, Great Britain's strategy in the past century to DIVIDE and CONQUER. And this same strategy is being carried out from the current world power.

And let's not forget here, the current situation was caused by the mob, with support, financialy, material and logistic, and political advise from people outside of Hong Kong which she has no control!

Anyway, here's a clip from Carrie TODAY (and for those who don't speak cantonese) stating she never intended to resign, and she and her team intend to go and see this through!
 
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vincent said:
Their delusions are real:
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China could change, speculates Lai. "That doesn't mean that the Communist Party will collapse," he adds. "But it might mean that Xi would have to step down and a more liberal government will take over and slowly we will be on the right way." But there is no sign of this happening anytime soon.

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Real democracy can only happen with the overthrow of the Communist Party. We are now opening the door to their destruction. Hong Kong is [China’s] most important living organ. If Hong Kong collapses, it’s immediately “game over” for the communists.

With rabid prejudice toward mainlanders (locusts that eat up natural resources, uncultured savages, uneducated hillbillies) and open call for session, how can anyone with a brain expects sympathy from mainlanders, let alone supporting their causes (with 1.4 billion people, there maybe a few with no brain)
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On a critical view, it is extremely unlikely that Xi will step down in the foreseeable future, but that does not mean that the CCP would not take a more liberal route like what it once did under Wen and Hu after Xi's tenure. I do still believe that Beijing still sees Singapore as a role model, in particular how the PAP manages to stay in power for so long.
The main problem is of course that even in the most unlikely circumstance that if China did actually become a democracy (for the sake of the argument), that does not mean that Hong Kong be propelled to prominence like many on the ground think it would. We have seen that even in democracies when a small group of people starts to make demands of separatism and special privileges the rest of the group starts to get pretty annoyed very fast. Case in point would be Basque.
In fact in a democracy Hong Kong with it's tiny population would be overwhelmed at every facet of politics and social life. The new government can even tap into majority nationalism and support to enact even unthinkable matters like withdrawing special rights that HK enjoyed like how India did with Kashmir.
To sum it up, if any protest and societal change in Hong Kong did manage to cause an even greater change to mainland China. The only thing that Hong Kongers could pride themselves in is that they had the honor of lighting the first spark. But I doubt they will greatly enjoy what comes afterwards. Oh yes the whole of China might be become better, but at the expense of Hong Kong. In fact what many HKers are frustrated about (influx of mainlanders, lessening economic opportunities due to other places like Shanghai siphoning out growth potentials and perhaps the egostical notion of them being less and less "above" the average mainland Chinese) would only increase. But hey at least now they get to vote, assuming 1.2 million HK's voice would amount to anything on the grand scale of things.
 
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Jura The idiot

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Viktor Jav said:
On a critical view, it is extremely unlikely that Xi will step down in the foreseeable future, but that does not mean that the CCP would not take a more liberal route like what it once did under Wen and Hu after Xi's tenure. I do still believe that Beijing still sees Singapore as a role model, in particular how the PAP manages to stay in power for so long.
The main problem is of course that even in the most unlikely circumstance that if China did actually become a democracy (for the sake of the argument), that does not mean that Hong Kong be propelled to prominence like many on the ground think it would. We have seen that even in democracies when a small group of people starts to make demands of separatism and special privileges the rest of the group starts to get pretty annoyed very fast. Case in point would be Basque.
In fact in a democracy Hong Kong with it's tiny population would be overwhelmed at every facet of politics and social life. The new government can even tap into majority nationalism and support to enact even unthinkable matters like withdrawing special rights that HK enjoyed like how India did with Kashmir.
To sum it up, if any protest and societal change in Hong Kong did manage to cause an even greater change to mainland China. The only thing that Hong Kongers could pride themselves in is that they had the honor of lighting the first spark. But I doubt they will greatly enjoy what comes afterwards. Oh yes the whole of China might be become better, but at the expense of Hong Kong. In fact what many HKers are frustrated about (influx of mainlanders, lessening economic opportunities due to other places like Shanghai siphoning out growth potentials and perhaps the egostical notion of them being less and less "above" the average mainland Chinese) would only increase. But hey at least now they get to vote, assuming 1.2 million HK's voice would amount to anything on the grand scale of things.
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LOL I guess it's a FAQ but how comes there's only about 1.2 million voters out of about 7.5 million HK inhabitants
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Votes cast / turnout 1,132 94.89%
 
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LOL I guess it's a FAQ but how comes there's only about 1.2 million voters out of about 7.5 million HK inhabitants
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Votes cast / turnout 1,132 94.89%
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oops sorry there my mistake, but still 7.5 million is still minuscule compared to the rest of mainland China (the entire population).
There is plenty of reason as to why there is a low amount of voters, from underage people to voting lethargy whereby people just simply can't be bothered (a common phenomena). That is the reason why the last US election only seen barely more than half the elegible population casting their votes.
 
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