Hong-Kong Protests

Gatekeeper said:

This is why as much as I blame the mindless idiots for the rioting. I put a much large blame on the "western democracies", and their well-oiled MSM for these riots in the past 4 months.
This could easily have been stopped on it's track, had they, the MSM labelled it for what it is. Wanton destructions, rioting, attempted murder and assassination!

Noticed when these things happened in the west, including Chile and Spain. It's hardly mentioned, and when it does, it paints a bad picture for the rioters, and the authority have the right to use force, etc. then, it all dies down, even though the demonstration goes on. Just like in France, The demonstrations is in it's umpteen months! But we don't hear a thing about it!

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Guy plays dead, gets up and tries to run off.

Gatekeeper said:

This is why as much as I blame the mindless idiots for the rioting. I put a much large blame on the "western democracies", and their well-oiled MSM for these riots in the past 4 months.
This could easily have been stopped on it's track, had they, the MSM labelled it for what it is. Wanton destructions, rioting, attempted murder and assassination!

Noticed when these things happened in the west, including Chile and Spain. It's hardly mentioned, and when it does, it paints a bad picture for the rioters, and the authority have the right to use force, etc. then, it all dies down, even though the demonstration goes on. Just like in France, The demonstrations is in it's umpteen months! But we don't hear a thing about it!

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Oh, make no mistake that western MSM are actively fanning the flames and positively encouraging the rioters at every opportunity.

Just this morning, the BBC radio 4 reported this shooting as an ‘attack’; with full focus on the policeman firing ‘3 shots into the chest of one protestor at point blank range’. They then through out some breathless pro-rioting traitor to spread false news about how ‘enrage’ the people of HK are.

I guess that gentlemen enthusiastically applauding the police at the scene was not from HK.

And also, I am sure the people of HK can dare to voice any opposition to the rioters without having to worry about being beaten up or set on fire in broad daylight in the middle of their city.

Contrast that to the way the British are dealing with extinction rebellion peaceful protestors.

I'm surprised this morning seeing a major news network in the US not hiding how protestor's are attacking passersby showing them setting that man on fire. They're reluctant to but there's a point where they lose credibility showing such obvious bias.

plawolf said:

A few points worth noting as my take away from that interview:
- when the HK government reached out to try and have a dialogue in 2014, they sabotaged it with ridiculous criticisms and zero workable alternative proposals. Suggesting that invite wasn’t inclusive enough might have had merit had they counter proposed with a serious and reasonable expanded list, but the public forum they wanted and apparent demand to include everyone is literally asking the government to try and hold negotiations in a pack football stadium with everyone single person in attendance, at the same time. It’s only possible outcome would have been chaos and public humiliation of the government, which i suspect is all they actually wanted in actuality.

- the ‘leaderless’ structure and ‘principle’ of not condemning anything one of their own does is the perfect chaos machine, in that it makes it impossible to reach any negotiated resolution with them, and positively encourages wonton violence and destruction by forcing the entire movement to stand behind the actions of their own, not matter how ridiculous and unreasonable.

That is the perfect recipe to create a run away train of ever escalating violence and destruction with no way to apply any breaks, with the end result all but guaranteed as bloodshed and loss of life on a mass scale. Which is exactly what the true foreign leaders and creators of this movement want.

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Ding! Ding! Ding! I believe this whole "leaderless" idea and the rioters obsession with sticking to it is proof of outside influence. It makes no sense, nothing can ever get done for any side.
In the interview she even said she hoped for western intervention as they expected PLA to come in. (19:23)

The CIA used their subversion playbook, but unlike Syria or Ukraine, Beijing outplayed them by showing unexpected restraint and calmness.

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Yes and no. Yes, there is an obvious attempt to disrupt. However, I don't think their goals are the same as Syria or Ukraine. Otherwise, they would have straight up armed them. However, that would have horrible consequences for the entire region.

A final more superficial point, but I think this loyal American girl is actually a very good encapsulation of the protest movement, where her pretty smile is very deliberately and calculatingly deployed as a weapon to hide the ugliness at its core.

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I don't think looks are too much into it to be honest. Just a coincidence. I think they would have been better off with someone who spoke English better.

That should tell you all there needs to be known about the doomsday cult mentality and MO of this movement.

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Absolutely a cult mentality. It is the only way you can keep saying "we are non-violent" while members of your group are beating people unconscious.

plawolf said:

Oh, make no mistake that western MSM are actively fanning the flames and positively encouraging the rioters at every opportunity.

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It is not just MSM. One of the points of these Telegram channels and LIHKG is to spread false information. The HK media was always prone to "fake news" even before it became the aphorism du jour. I believe Apple Daily originally became popular due to their incessant following of celebrities and publicizing their candid photos (like TMZ) rather than serious reporting. The gossipy nature of the media has lead to people becoming more susceptible to falsehoods which continue to fan the disorder.

Some examples that continue to be brought up.
Prince Edward "deaths", this has already been discussed to death here, so I won't beat the dead horse.
Teenage girl who drowned. Most of the commotion around this has died down now that they have a new "martyr".
Student who fell and died from parking structure. Rioters are demanding that the chancellor say the police murdered him, when there is no evidence of this. Essentially demanding that people publicly lie. If this is not "Black Guards" behaviour demanding that bourgeoisie class denounce their counter-revolutionary ideas, I don't know what is!

And also, I am sure the people of HK can dare to voice any opposition to the rioters without having to worry about being beaten up or set on fire in broad daylight in the middle of their city.

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Not only did they set fire to him, they continued to call him MF'er afterwards! How peaceful!

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Guy plays dead, gets up and tries to run off.

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It pains me to watch this, that HK has devolved into such a state.

AssassinsMace said:

I'm surprised this morning seeing a major news network in the US not hiding how protestor's are attacking passersby showing them setting that man on fire. They're reluctant to but there's a point where they lose credibility showing such obvious bias.

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More of the truth comes through in CNN's still pro-rioter/anti-authorities biased coverage, most other US media are much worse and should not be trusted at all.

solarz said:

It pains me to watch this, that HK has devolved into such a state.

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Me too. I never imagined there are people in Hong Kong that are capable of such inhumane atrocities just because others don't agree with them. It changed my perception of Hong Kong although I know the perpetrators are not representative of the majority of Hong Kongers.

HK rioters are justifying by saying it's low temperature alcohol used for magic tricks
and that the guy's burns are nothing

they also say he was wearing flame repelling gel to put on act

The face of the arsonist attempted murder

And the politician in denial. He goes as far as saying it is staged!

The poor guy escaped with his life

@Gatekeeper how did they track him?