Hong-Kong Protests
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I find this hilarious. The western media hails Joshua Wong as some kind of political hero ("he went to jail!"), yet by his own credentials, who would vote for him?
No post-secondary education, not married, no kids, no job (all equals no life experience), what good could he do for your district?
Since we are talking about conspiracy and foreign funding, here is a nice snippet from a former FLG member:
The fawning over this guy just seems like another FLG to me.
On a personal note, he is so ugly. I admit that this adds nothing to the discussion, but there was a post a few pages back mentioning the androgyny of some these protesters, he certainly fits the bill. I just had to say it.
This fake journalist disrupt police briefing. And asked other journalists to join in to boycott the briefing. In the process all she had done was to get all other journalists to unite against her!
And on her press card, she only joined the press union on 31st Aug this year! And she was working fir Apple! something smell very fishy!
And on her press card, she only joined the press union on 31st Aug this year! And she was working fir Apple! something smell very fishy!
Xsizor, I did not mean to imply that you are naive. Apologies if you thought I did.
I was mearly pointing out that USA has a more direct role in the current situation than just NED.
Unfortunately, my IT skills is rubbish, and I can't post a video showing more details of USA's role in this.
your passport give you privilege in entering other countries, just like a diplomatic or official passports give privileges to some Chinese nationals. But they don't make differences in terms of citizen right. My parents used to have official passports. The only thing matters is the first inside page baring "The Ministry of Foreign Affair of PRC......"
Your Chinese passport is real in the view of China including HK immigration authority. Your British passport if it was acquired through the UK scheme I mentioned, no matter how real, is void in the view of China (HK included) , see the point 3 of HK immigration authority's explanation. If you acquired the British passport through other means, you are obliged to renounce your Chinese citizenship, before doing so you are still Chinese and be treated as such. The British passport has no effect in China (HK included).
Your entering mainland China needing further paperwork is equal to the paperwork for any Chinese citizen to settle in a new Chinese city. The paperwork is not a visa but only administration work. If that can be called CNO, then every main-lander is a CNI (Chinese National Insea).
If China, one of your two citizenship, denies your duo citizenship, how could you be duo?
In practice, UK can not provide consulate assistance to you when you are in China (Hong Kong), that nullified anything you may think you have from the duo citizenship. When you are in UK, you can not ask the same assistance from Chinese embassy without revealing your British citizenship (UK police will only let China involved if you show your Chinese passport), in return you may be stripped your Chinese citizenship. In a third country, you can only ask help from one, but not two. In effect, the duo citizenship does not exist. Does it?
Two examples, my friend acquired a foreign citizenship without notifying Chinese government, he managed to visit China using his foreign passport for years until recently. He was denied to leave China after being found out to hold a foreign passport. He was ordered to finish all paperwork to de-register, surrender his Chinese ID and passport. It took him a week. He did not receive any further fine or charges because he has not unfinished legal proceedings. If he had properties in China, the change of ownership registration would have taken even longer time for more paperwork.
I don't want to spook you, but the other example is uglier. A person by the name "Huseyincan Celil" was charged of crime in China, before being caught traveled to Canada and acquired Canadian passport, caught in Uzbekistan later then deported to China and trailed. Canadian embassy was denied access to him. The argument China gave was that the person was still Chinese citizen as far as China is aware because the person didn't renounce his Chinese citizenship.
Taxiya, WOW!
First of all, thank you for all the new information.
2nd, I agree with regards to Chinese national INSEA! Lol. That is definitely different to British nationals overseas BNO! You are right that at least with a CNO, We can enter China and stay to work, and make a life there, whereas Britain wont let anyone have permanent residence in Britain with a BNO!
The role of the BNO is for people travelling around the world, and offered protection should anything happens to them. They can just walk into an embassy or consulate general, and assistance should be provided.
3rd, I also agree with the rest of your post regarding duo nationality! (you might be surprise to hear)!
BUT!
1st, this came about because question was asked on how a foreign national was able to stand for public office!
And I think I gave a clear answer that a foreign national can do so if they obtained a Hong Kong ID card! (bear in mind there are two grades of ID card, but that's not relevant here).
Now, having obtained an ID card, a foreign national can apply for a CNI. Now whether they are sucessful, or have to renonce their other national passport. I don't know.
All I know is, there are lots of Hong Kongers do hold foreign pasports. Jimmy Lai, for example holds Canadian passport, now they may have renonce there CNI, and if so, everthing is in legit. And they can carry on living in Hong Kong with only using they ID card,
So technically, they are not duo nationals, they are foreign nationals with the rights to live and work in Hong Kong, including public office!
Now, moving on to China's policy to duo nationals. And here too, you maybe surprise that I agree with you. I agree that BNO has no effect if you are a Chinese national in China!
BUT that wasn't the point I was making, I was suggesting a person holding two passports that required helps have a chioce of embassys in a THIRD country!
Lastly, and perhaps more importantly, is how I, and ALL the Hong Kongers in my community managed to obtained a CNI whilst holding a full British (not BNO) passport?
I, and other chinese in my community certainly did not falsify our application. I can assured you!
In my case, I was advised by the immigration officer in Hong Kong government house to apply for my CNI so I can go to China, instead of applying for a visa using my British passport!
So I did what I was told and filled everthing correctly, and hay presto, my CNI arrives at my door in good time!
Exactly, I posted a debate between Joshua and miss Chan, she basically tore him to shreads with regards to his lack of:
Education
Live skills
Experiences
Etc.
I agree that law's wording is one thing, but its implementation may leave holes or gray areas. I also believe that passport is just a paper that does not necessarily reflect a person's loyalty to one or another country. There are many mainland Chinese serving foreign interests while Chinese decedent oversea care about China. It is the heart after all.
Let's move back to the topic.
Jura The idiot
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since you quoted me, well, restricting the right of someone active to stand for election is controversial; I link what Glob. Times had to say:
Disqualifying Joshua Wong is a law-based righteous, reasonable decision
I agree that law's wording is one thing, but its implementation may leave holes or gray areas. I also believe that passport is just a paper that does not necessarily reflect a person's loyalty to one or another country. There are many mainland Chinese serving foreign interests while Chinese decedent oversea care about China. It is the heart after all.
Let's move back to the topic.
Again, at the risk of sounding like an echo chamber. I agree with you! Lol
To me, my country and my loyality is China, but because I've roots here in the UK, and my children are half English. I also have loyality to the UK.
As I've try to explain to some of my friends, it's a bit like loyality to your father and mother. Providing they don't conflict. Then it's going to be a difficult decision!
Anyway, I agree we should get back to topic, I just got the feeling we are boring the pants of everyone else! Lol
Can someone with a criminal record run for public office in Czech?