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^ I posted the same article a page back.

This thread is moving very quickly, so fair enough if reposts happen.
 

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Polish Member of the European Parliament - Janusz Korwin-Mikke has once sad: "Dlaczego w USA nigdy nie było przewrotu wojskowego ? Bo w USA nie ma ambasady USA" that means "Why there have never been a coup in the USA? Because there is no US embassy in USA". US is the one who benefits recent protests in Hong Kong. It's cristal clear that US is behind recent protests in Hong Kong:
US Openly Approves Hong Kong Chaos it Created
The “Occupy Central” protests in Hong Kong continue on – destabilizing the small southern Chinese island famous as an international hub for corporate-financier interests, and before that, the colonial ambitions of the British Empire. Those interests have been conspiring for years to peel the island away from Beijing after it was begrudgingly returned to China in the late 1990′s, and use it as a springboard to further destabilize mainland China.

Behind the so-called “Occupy Central” protests, which masquerade as a “pro-democracy” movement seeking “universal suffrage” and “full democracy,” is a deep and insidious network of foreign financial, political, and media support. Prominent among them is the US State Department and its National Endowment for Democracy (NED) as well as NED’s subsidiary, the National Democratic Institute (NDI).

Now, the US has taken a much more overt stance in supporting the chaos their own manipulative networks have prepared and are now orchestrating. The White House has now officially backed “Occupy Central.” Reuters in its article,”White House Shows Support For Aspirations Of Hong Kong People,” would claim:

The White House is watching democracy protests in Hong Kong closely and supports the “aspirations of the Hong Kong people,” White House spokesman Josh Earnest said on Monday.”

The United States supports universal suffrage in Hong Kong in accordance with the Basic Law and we support the aspirations of the Hong Kong people,” said Earnest, who also urged restraint on both sides.
Earnest’s comments are verbatim the demands of “Occupy Central” protest leaders, but more importantly, verbatim the long-laid designs the US State Department’s NDI articulates on its own webpage dedicated to its ongoing meddling in Hong Kong. The term “universal suffrage”and reference to “Basic Law” and its “interpretation” to mean “genuine democracy” is stated clearly on NDI’s website which claims:

The Basic Law put in place a framework of governance, whereby special interest groups, or “functional constituencies,” maintain half of the seats in the Legislative Council (LegCo). At present, Hong Kong’s chief executive is also chosen by an undemocratically selected committee. According to the language of the Basic Law, however, “universal suffrage” is the “ultimate aim.” While “universal suffrage” remains undefined in the law, Hong Kong citizens have interpreted it to mean genuine democracy.

To push this agenda – which essentially is to prevent Beijing from vetting candidates running for office in Hong Kong, thus opening the door to politicians openly backed, funded, and directed by the US State Department – NDI lists an array of ongoing meddling it is carrying out on the island. It states:

Since 1997, NDI has conducted a series of missions to Hong Kong to consider the development of Hong Kong’s “post-reversion” election framework, the status of autonomy, rule of law and civil liberties under Chinese sovereignty, and the prospects for, and challenges to democratization.

It also claims:

In 2005, NDI initiated a six-month young political leaders program focused on training a group of rising party and political group members in political communications skills.

And:

NDI has also worked to bring political parties, government leaders and civil society actors together in public forums to discuss political party development, the role of parties in Hong Kong and political reform. In 2012, for example, a conference by Hong Kong think tank SynergyNet supported by NDI featured panelists from parties across the ideological spectrum and explored how adopting a system of coalition government might lead to a more responsive legislative process.

NDI also admits it has created, funded, and backed other organizations operating in Hong Kong toward achieving the US State Department’s goals of subverting Beijing’s control over the island:

In 2007, the Institute launched a women’s political participation program that worked with the Women’s Political Participation Network (WPPN) and the Hong Kong Federation of Women’s Centres (HKFWC) to enhance women’s participation in policy-making, encourage increased participation in politics and ensure that women’s issues are taken into account in the policy-making process.

And on a separate page, NDI describes programs it is conducting with the University of Hong Kong to achieve its agenda:

The Centre for Comparative and Public Law (CCPL) at the University of Hong Kong, with support from NDI, is working to amplify citizens’ voices in that consultation process by creating Design Democracy Hong Kong (
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), a unique and neutral website that gives citizens a place to discuss the future of Hong Kong’s electoral system.

It should be no surprise to readers then, to find out each and every “Occupy Central” leader is either directly linked to the US State Department, NED, and NDI, or involved in one of NDI’s many schemes.
“Occupy Central’s” self-proclaimed leader, Benny Tai, is a law professor at the aforementioned University of Hong Kong and a regular collaborator with the NDI-funded CCPL. In 2006-2007 (annual report, .pdf) he was named as a board member – a position he has held until at least as recently as last year. In CCPL’s2011-2013 annual report (.pdf), NDI is listed as having provided funding to the organization to “design and implement an online Models of Universal Suffrage portal where the general public can discuss and provide feedback and ideas on which method of universal suffrage is most suitable for Hong Kong.”

Curiously, in CCPL’s most recent annual report for 2013-2014 (.pdf), Tai is not listed as a board member. However, he is listed as participating in at least 3 conferences organized by CCPL, and as heading at least one of CCPL’s projects. At least one conference has him speaking side-by-side another prominent “Occupy Central” figure, Audrey Eu. The 2013-2014 annual report also lists NDI as funding CCPL’s “Design Democracy Hong Kong” website.

Civic Party chairwoman Audrey Eu Yuet-mee, in addition to speaking at CCPL-NDI functions side-by-side with Benny Tai, is entwined with the US State Department and its NDI elsewhere. She regularly attends forums sponsored by NED and its subsidiary NDI. In 2009 she was a featured speaker at an NDI sponsored public policy forum hosted by “SynergyNet,” also funded by NDI. In 2012 she was a guest speaker at the NDI-funded Women’s Centre “International Women’s Day” event, hosted by the Hong Kong Council of Women (HKCW) which is also annually funded by the NDI.
There is also Martin Lee, founding chairman of Hong Kong’s Democrat Party and another prominent figure who has come out in support of “Occupy Central.” Just this year, Lee was in Washington meeting directly with US Vice President Joseph Biden, US Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi, and even took part in an NED talk hosted specifically for him and his agenda of “democracy” in Hong Kong. Lee even has a NED page dedicated to him after he was awarded in 1997 NED’s “Democracy Award.” With him in Washington was Anson Chan, another prominent figure currently supporting the ongoing unrest in Hong Kong’s streets.

“Occupy Central’s” Very Unpopular Agenda

If democracy is characterized by self-rule, than an “Occupy Central” movement in which every prominent figure is the benefactor of and beholden to foreign cash, support, and a foreign-driven agenda, has nothing at all to do with democracy. It does have, however, everything to do with abusing democracy to undermine Beijing’s control over Hong Kong, and open the door to candidates that clearly serve foreign interests, not those of China, or even the people of Hong Kong.
What is more telling is the illegal referendum “Occupy Central” conducted earlier this year in an attempt to justify impending, planned chaos in Hong Kong’s streets. The referendum focused on the US State Department’s goal of implementing “universal suffrage” – however, only a fifth of Hong Kong’s electorate participated in the referendum, and of those that did participate, no alternative was given beyond US-backed organizations and their respective proposals to undermine Beijing.

The BBC would report in its article, “Hong Kong democracy ‘referendum’ draws nearly 800,000,” that:

A total of 792,808 voters took part in an unofficial referendum on universal suffrage in Hong Kong, organisers said.

The 10-day poll was held by protest group Occupy Central.

Campaigners want the public to be able to elect Hong Kong’s leader, the chief executive. The Hong Kong government says the vote has no legal standing.

About 42% of voters backed a proposal allowing the public, a nominating committee, and political parties to name candidates for the top job.

For a protest movement that claims it stands for “democracy,” implied to mean the will of the people, it has an unpopular agenda clearly rejected by the vast majority of Hong Kong’s population – and is now disrupting vital parts of the island, holding the population and stability hostage to push its agenda. All of this is being orchestrated and supported by the United States, its State Department, and its network of global sedition operating under NED and its subsidiary NDI.

While the Western media shows mobs of “thousands” implying that “the people” support ongoing chaos in Hong Kong’s streets, “Occupy Central’s” own staged, illegal referendum proves it does not have the backing of the people and that its agenda is rejected both by mainland China and the people of Hong Kong.

Exposing the insidious, disingenuous, foreign-driven nature of “Occupy Central” is important. It is also important to objectively examine each and every protest that springs up around the world. Superficiality cannot “link” one movement to another, one group to hidden special interests. Rather, one must adhere to due diligence in identifying and profiling the leaders, following the money, identifying their true motivations, and documenting their links to special interests within or beyond the borders of the nation the protests are taking place in.

By doing this, movements like “Occupy Central” can be exposed, blunted, and rolled over before the destruction and chaos other US-backed destabilization efforts have exacted elsewhere – namely the Middle East and Ukraine – can unfold in Hong Kong.
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Polish Member of the European Parliament - Janusz Korwin-Mikke has once sad: "Dlaczego w USA nigdy nie było przewrotu wojskowego ? Bo w USA nie ma ambasady USA" that means "Why there have never been a coup in the USA? Because there is no US embassy in USA". US is the one who benefits recent protests in Hong Kong. It's cristal clear that US is behind recent protests in Hong Kong:

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never quote from this site. you might as well use infowars from Alex Jones for sources
 
Why? There is no mention about this site in forum rules.

it's pretty much a conspiracy website. dont let the name fool you. I had liked them on Facebook before, but after finding every of their articles strangely too wild, I unliked them.

conspiracy theories are terrible for the brains because it's extremely non -critical thinking

if you Google or wiki their founder, you will see what I mean. also, it's strange how a site saying it's researching for globalization has articles anti-globalization and conspiracy theories. I.know my reasons aren't very supportive, but these sites are often hard to verify, and my gut feeling is it's a bit too strange.

also look at the wording of the article. doesn't sound like sth written naturally or objectively. articles with wordings like these should ring a red bell
 
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When I watched this video, somewhere I can say I feel just like the villagers. In fact I think most HKers will feel this way. The criticisms slammed on the villagers is exactly referring to what's been happening, and how HKSAR is selling out its people, and they're pretty much all accurate and ACTUALLY what's been happening in HK. This video actually enlightened me to a lot of things I am unaware, have no knowledge about, their significance.

This is also why I disagree with that Jacque's passage, but also been telling you guys why what you guys are saying is barely scraping the surface when you guys are referring all to only economic reasons.

The actor looks familiar. I think it is taken from the Japanese TV series Legal High - not sure whether it is series 1 or 2

I think it is best summarised using the metaphor of the boiling frog to describe the situation of the HK people as represented in this short satire although he describes them as pigs. In Chinese culture when someone reference you as a pig it means you are basically stupid and ignorant.

The guy talks fast but essentially he is reminding the bunch of old people that their rights are being slowly stripped away on the pretext of some occasional economic goodies that are being handed out to them. In the process, there are forced acceptance of local issues like :
i)maternity beds that are hijacked
ii)properties they can no longer afford
iii)milk powder that are in short supply
iv)school places that are diminishing and a whole bunch more which I am not familiar with.

These are issues that resonate with the locals because they are bread and butter issues.

How is this connected to universal suffrage? In my view I think there is a sense of frustration over loss of control of local events as the CE appointed by Beijing is just a puppet which doesn't really care about them. They want someone who best represents their interest and not a political appointee who is only interested in what pleases Beijing.
 
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Not sure how you guys feel about Martin Jacques.

I don't want to agree with this opinion about HKers feeling superior or hubris to MLers (at least not a majority of HKers feel that way -- and frustration and spite at MLers doing publicly distasteful things are understandable), and there has already been much debate about just how much China played in increasing HK's wealth over since 1978.

However I agree that HK's future does lie with China, and that China won't accept a candidate which is hostile to Chinese rule (i.e.: wanting independence and seeking to subvert central government on the mainland or through foreign affairs).

More importantly, despite a few attempts to exert greater control over HK in recent years, the bulk of the system appears to have remained autonomous of beijing's direct control.

If HKers realize their future does still lie with China and within Chinese sovereignty, then hopes of more expressive universal sufferage may be likely. As I've said, they'll need to change their image from one of being anti-China/anti-CCP/pro-democracy to one of anti-CY and co/anti-independence/anti-subversion/pro-democracy


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China is Hong Kong’s future – not its enemy
Protesters cry democracy but most are driven by dislocation and resentment at mainlanders’ success

Martin Jacques
The Guardian, Tuesday 30 September 2014 14.45 EDT

The upheaval sweeping Hong Kong is more complicated than on the surface it might appear. Protests have erupted over direct elections to be held in three years’ time; democracy activists claim that China’s plans will allow it to screen out the candidates it doesn’t want.

It should be remembered, however, that for 155 years until its handover to China in 1997, Hong Kong was a British colony, forcibly taken from China at the end of the first opium war. All its 28 subsequent governors were appointed by the British government. Although Hong Kong came, over time, to enjoy the rule of law and the right to protest, under the British it never enjoyed even a semblance of democracy. It was ruled from 6,000 miles away in London. The idea of any kind of democracy was first introduced by the Chinese government. In 1990 the latter adopted the Basic Law, which included the commitment that in 2017 the territory’s chief executive would be elected by universal suffrage; it also spelt out that the nomination of candidates would be a matter for a nominating committee.

This proposal should be seen in the context of what was a highly innovative – and, to westerners, completely unfamiliar – constitutional approach by the Chinese. The idea of “one country, two systems” under which Hong Kong would maintain its distinctive legal and political system for 50 years. Hong Kong would, in these respects, remain singularly different from the rest of China, while at the same time being subject to Chinese sovereignty. In contrast, the western view has always embraced the principle of “one country, one system” – as, for example, in German unification. But China is more a civilisation-state than a nation-state: historically it would have been impossible to hold together such a vast country without allowing much greater flexibility. Its thinking – “one civilisation, many systems” – was shaped by its very different history.

In the 17 years since the handover, China has, whatever the gainsayers might suggest, overwhelmingly honoured its commitment to the principle of one country, two systems. The legal system remains based on English law, the rule of law prevails, and the right to demonstrate, as we have seen so vividly in recent days, is still very much intact. The Chinese meant what they offered. Indeed, it can reasonably be argued that they went to extremes in their desire to be unobtrusive: sotto voce might be an apt way of describing China’s approach to Hong Kong. At the time of the handover, and in the three years I lived in Hong Kong from 1998, it was difficult to identify any visible signs of Chinese rule: I recall seeing just one Chinese flag.

Notwithstanding this, Hong Kong – and its relationship with China – was in fact changing rapidly. Herein lies a fundamental reason for the present unrest: the growing sense of dislocation among a section of Hong Kong’s population. During the 20 years or so prior to the handover, the territory enjoyed its golden era – not because of the British but because of the Chinese. In 1978 Deng Xiaoping embarked on his reform programme, and China began to grow rapidly. It was still, however, a relatively closed society. Hong Kong was the beneficiary – it became the entry point to China, and as a result attracted scores of multinational companies and banks that wanted to gain access to the Chinese market. Hong Kong got rich because of China. It also fed an attitude of hubris and arrogance. The Hong Kong Chinese came to enjoy a much higher standard of living than the mainlanders. They looked down on the latter as poor, ignorant and uncouth peasants, as greatly their inferior. They preferred – up to a point – to identify with westerners rather than mainlanders, not because of democracy (the British had never allowed them any) but primarily because of money and the status that went with it.

Much has changed since 1997. The Chinese economy has grown many times, the standard of living of the Chinese likewise. If you want to access the Chinese market nowadays, why move to Hong Kong when you can go straight to Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou, Chengdu and a host of other major cities? Hong Kong has lost its role as the gateway to China. Where previously Hong Kong was China’s unrivalled financial centre, now it is increasingly dwarfed by Shanghai. Until recently, Hong Kong was by far China’s largest port: now it has been surpassed by Shanghai and Shenzhen, and Guangzhou will shortly overtake it.

Two decades ago westerners comprised the bulk of Hong Kong’s tourists, today mainlanders account for the overwhelming majority, many of them rather more wealthy than most Hong Kong Chinese. Likewise, an increasing number of mainlanders have moved to the territory – which is a growing source of resentment. If China needed Hong Kong in an earlier period, this is no longer nearly as true as it was. On the contrary, without China, Hong Kong would be in deep trouble.

Understandably, many Hong Kong Chinese are struggling to come to terms with these new realities. They are experiencing a crisis of identity and a sense of displacement. They know their future is inextricably bound up with China but that is very different from embracing the fact. Yet there is no alternative: China is the future of Hong Kong.

All these issues, in a most complex way, are being played out in the present arguments over universal suffrage. Hong Kong is divided. About half the population support China’s proposals on universal suffrage, either because they think they are a step forward or because they take the pragmatic view that they will happen anyway. The other half is opposed. A relatively small minority of these have never really accepted Chinese sovereignty. Anson Chan, the former head of the civil service under Chris Patten, and Jimmy Lai, a prominent businessman, fall into this category, and so do some of the Democrats. Then there is a much larger group, among them many students, who oppose Beijing’s plans for more idealistic reasons.

One scenario can be immediately discounted. China will not accept the election of a chief executive hostile to Chinese rule. If the present unrest continues, then a conceivable backstop might be to continue indefinitely with the status quo, which, from the point of view of democratic change, both in Hong Kong and China, would be a retrograde step. More likely is that the Chinese government will persist with its proposals, perhaps with minor concessions, and anticipate that the opposition will slowly abate. This remains the most likely scenario.

An underlying weakness of Chinese rule has nevertheless been revealed by these events. One of the most striking features of Hong Kong remains the relative absence of a mainland political presence. The Chinese have persisted with what can best be described as a hands-off approach. Their relationship to the administration is either indirect or behind the scenes. Strange as it may seem, the Chinese are not involved in the cut and thrust of political argument. They will need to find more effective ways of making their views clear and arguing their case – not in Beijing but in Hong Kong.

An excellent and insightful read, Bltizo. Mr. Jacques is certainly correct on the fact that Beijing has been far too quiet on this matter. Perhaps the leadership is letting tensions cool for a while, but when the physical aspects of the protests die down, Beijing needs to mete out a deal with those leading the protest. Ignoring this entire issue would only breed division between China and HK, and the long-term affects of such negligence would affect the mainland's political clout very negatively. On the other hand, opening up to the concerns of the citizens and perhaps even voicing Beijing's own inputs on the matter shows responsible leadership and a mutual basis on which the two seemingly-conflicting parties could conduct basic dialogue. It is the latter than will ultimately give Beijing the upper hand when it comes to the crucial task of winning over the hearts and minds of HK citizens in light of future relations. Hopefully Beijing will be a bit more attentive to the issue without resorting to patronization, threats, or abrasiveness; cool heads are what will make the region stable, the politics civil, and the economics healthy.
 

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it's pretty much a conspiracy website. dont let the name fool you. I had liked them on Facebook before, but after finding every of their articles strangely too wild, I unliked them.

conspiracy theories are terrible for the brains because it's extremely non -critical thinking

if you Google or wiki their founder, you will see what I mean. also, it's strange how a site saying it's researching for globalization has articles anti-globalization and conspiracy theories. I.know my reasons aren't very supportive, but these sites are often hard to verify, and my gut feeling is it's a bit too strange.

also look at the wording of the article. doesn't sound like sth written naturally or objectively. articles with wordings like these should ring a red bell

I certainly agree that GR should be read with a health warning as it has a tendency to allow some (quite a few actually) of its articles to head off into the great unknown. Others are quite sober and the one quoted falls quite happily into that category.

The key advice of course is to check the finance and support given to the movements leaders and this is not done in the article, so does not manage to support its contention. It does however highlight the very obvious dangers of permitting the protesters demands, re unfettered foreign finance of candidates, something which is illegal in pretty much every modern democratic state I can think of.

There are allegations in the article that should be answered by Occupy and simply trying to discredit the messenger is not an appropriate response, certainly in this instance. Attempts to do so are distinctly.... well, undemocratic.

My main concern has been to witness over the last few decades the growth in activity of some of the worst brainwashing/fundamentalist religious cults; mainly of a South Korean variety, in HK. It has been a concern that they have been very keen to be involved in financing schools. I cannot believe that the influence of their brand of eduction and what we are seeing on the streets are unrelated.

Nearly all modern democracies make sure that such groups are not allowed to peddle their propaganda as education in schools official or otherwise and HK has made a big mistake but nor disallowing it there.
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Pro-democracy demonstrators rest during a protest in Hong Kong on Tuesday (AFP Photo/Philippe Lopez)

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Pro-democracy protesters put up a banner bearing their message (AFP Photo/Philippe Lopez)

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Supporters of pro-democracy demonstrators provide free drinking water in the Mongkok district (AFP Photo/Philippe Lopez)

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Pro-democracy protesters hold umbrellas under heavy rain in a main street near the government headquarters in Hong Kong late Tuesday, Sept. 30, 2014. The protesters demanded that Hong Kong's top leader meet with them on Tuesday and threatened wider actions if he did not, after he said China would not budge in its decision to limit voting reforms in the Asian financial hub. (AP Photo)

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Police officers stand guard outside a flag-raising ceremony where Hong Kong's embattled leader attended in Hong Kong, Wednesday, Oct. 1, 2014, to mark China's National Day. Hong Kong Chief Executive Leung Chun-ying attended the flag-raising ceremony Wednesday to mark China's National Day after refusing to meet pro-democracy demonstrators despite their threats to expand the street protests that have posed the stiffest challenge to Beijing's authority since China took control of the former British colony in 1997. (AP Photo/Vincent Yu)

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Protesters shout slogans outside a flag-raising ceremony where Hong Kong's embattled leader attended in Hong Kong, Wednesday, Oct. 1, 2014, to mark China's National Day. Hong Kong Chief Executive Leung Chun-ying attended the flag-raising ceremony Wednesday to mark China's National Day after refusing to meet pro-democracy demonstrators despite their threats to expand the street protests that have posed the stiffest challenge to Beijing's authority since China took control of the former British colony in 1997. (AP Photo/Vincent Yu)

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A man walks past barricades set up by protesters on a empty main road in Hong Kong, Wednesday, Oct. 1, 2014. China's government has condemned the student-led protests as illegal, though so far it has not overtly intervened, leaving Hong Kong authorities to handle the crisis. Over the weekend, police fired tear gas and pepper spray in an attempt to disperse the protesters, but the demonstrations only spread. (AP Photo/Vincent Yu)
 
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