Here's Why I think China's development is slower than South Korea.

Once you mastered solid state and the technology and art of mass manufacturing.
it's easy to go into other field, such as cars, ships, chemicals, machinery, and many other fields.

which countries are very strong in solid state?

US, Japan, Korea, Germany.

antimatter said:

Once you mastered solid state and the technology and art of mass manufacturing.
it's easy to go into other field, such as cars, ships, chemicals, machinery, and many other fields.

which countries are very strong in solid state?

US, Japan, Korea, Germany.

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I don't really understand what you mean by mastering solid state stuff first. Mass manufacturing of hi-tech computer components is merely one industry out of many that a modern nation can excel in. .

At first I thought your post was about developing global brand names, and that's something I agree China could improve a lot in. But your later posts leave me confused as to what your point is.

antimatter said:

Once you mastered solid state and the technology and art of mass manufacturing.
it's easy to go into other field, such as cars, ships, chemicals, machinery, and many other fields.

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China already have the art of mass manufacturing if you are not aware. lets talk about cars - Chery, Geely, BYD. All these produce very good cars. Ships - China had one of the biggest harbour and ship building industry. She even design and build her own destroyers and stuffs, Chemical - China doesn't lack being chemical industry either.

Machinery - What machinery are you talking about? CNC, Wirecutting machine, tool making, wat? if the above mentioned, then China has them all.

Your other field might include space technology... er... china had good space industry, produce her own satellites, even send someone into space.

Ballistic missile technology - need I say more? Maybe I should elaborate - missile sensory (China had it), long range intercontinental delivery system - China had it, anti-ballistic missile system (china had it.).

Aircraft - J-7, J-8, J-10, J-11, JH-7, etc... all made in China.

The only thing that might be lacking behind is what you call semi-conductor technology... which I think China is also focusing on too.

So in summary,

China already had the following industry (not losing out to South Korea for that matter),

1) Automobile (Chery, Geely, BYD, not to mentions the joint venture with other companies such as Volvo, Voltswagon, Honda, toyota, etc)
2) Battery system (BYD)
3) Radar and sensory (all her military R&D complexes, someone might answer to this more).
4) Aircraft (Shenyang, Chengdu, Hafei (helicopters), etc)
5) Mobilephone (damn... there are thousands of them in China to name a few - Haier, Changhong, TC(something, couldn't remember).
6) Other consumer electronic System such as MP3, MP4, movie player, DVD, HDVD, Bluray, LCD, TV (tube and plasma) etc (too many to list)
7) conventional moulding and injection industry - BYD, Tongda, GGEC, etc
8) conventional assembly plant for consumer electronic products (too many to list, but more prominent are BYD, GGEC, etc)
9) Shipbuilding industry - include oil rig, tankers, military class ships, etc (quite a few. I believe others know more then me)
10) Semiconductor industry (might not be very good now, but China had the money and she could easily buy down other foreign own companies).
11) Space technology - the third country in the world to be able to launch men into space using her own equipment and land.
12) chemical - really not lacking behind but I am not the expert in this field so I will let other fill this in for me.
13) financial sector - China is one of the biggest sector in the world and one of the richest.
14) Export - Came up second or first last year.
15) Military technology - still a bit behind the west, but not really that far back. To totally modernise, take times because of the sheer size of the armed forces.
16) Computer software (huge number of them, I don't play much with computer so I wouldn't know too deeply in this... but I think they did design and build - Computer games too.)
17) Education - Well, I believe this is not lacking behind korea too, in all areas.
18) Infrastructure building - I don't need to tell you more in this area since you do not believe in it.
19) Power generation - this is one area that I am mildly disappointed with China. But it is a big country and so it is not as simple as just building a few generators - however China did have the following - water powered electricity - Dam, nuclear power plants, coal power plants, oil and gas power plants, etc.
20) aircraft component such as engine and other avionic equipments - quite advance, even with limited helps from the west and other people.

I am getting plenty tire in writing and listing out all the other industry, you will just have to read the news.

And - yes, China has build the world's fastest train system. So in many way, China is leading South Korea in a number of industry, while Korea might be leading in semi-conductor technology.

kyanges said:

I don't really understand what you mean by mastering solid state stuff first. Mass manufacturing of hi-tech computer components is merely one industry out of many that a modern nation can excel in. .

At first I thought your post was about developing global brand names, and that's something I agree China could improve a lot in. But your later posts leave me confused as to what your point is.

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Solid state deals with submicron physics at molecular level it's very fundamental and has to deal with many many fields such as chemical, high precision machinery, optics, laser, fluid dyanmic, mechanicals, So therefore if you are good at solid state , mostly likely you are also good at other fields.

High tech and electronics are too general term India in hightech but in software, and China has alot of electronics but mostly use already made chips , deal with PCB, and firmwares Those are no where as demanding and comprehensive, and fundamental as Solid State technology.

antimatter, don't be so naive. like others have said, south korea has the backing of the US and assistance. if south korea is so high tech like you mention, why dont south korea send someone into space on their own?

Damn... and here I am writing huge chunks to rebuke him and try to talk some sense into him.

Maybe I should stop being nice. lol.

rhino123 said:

China already have the art of mass manufacturing if you are not aware. lets talk about cars - Chery, Geely, BYD. All these produce very good cars. Ships - .

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Sweden and Italy also made cars but they are no good at solid state therefore those two are nowhere near the overall technical advance level of Korea.
Soild state deals with molecular level more fundamental than car technology.

antimatter said:

Sweden and Italy also made cars but they are no good at solid state therefore those two are nowhere near the overall technical advance level of Korea.
Soild state deals with molecular level more fundamental than car technology.

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If you seriously look at the post I make, finish reading it and see what point I am answering to your previous post, you would know what I am talking about...

You say and I quote, "Once you mastered solid state and the technology and art of mass manufacturing.
it's easy to go into other field, such as cars, ships, chemicals, machinery, and many other fields."

And I told you that China already have car making, ship building, chemical, machinery, whatever shit industry already.

And so China had already have the mass manufacturing art, technology, whatever you choose to call it.

And I also admit that China is lacking being in semi-conductor industry as compare to South Korea, and that is about all there is. But China's industry are rich now and they can buy down others if they so wanted it.

Oh... one more thing, are you sure Sweden and Italy is no where near Korea in the overall technical advances? And by that what do you mean? Their cars are not as good?

What about Germany and US cars? Germany's solid state technology is better than South Korea?

I mean... Come on, these two are different industry, stop putting them at same level.

And from your logic, the whole world should go crumbling down as many developed country do not have the same level of solid state technology as South Korea. But why couldn't South Korea rise to number 1?

rhino123 said:

Damn... and here I am writing huge chunks to rebuke him and try to talk some sense into him.

Maybe I should stop being nice. lol.

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Korea 's hyundai cars is selling very well now.

If you are very strong in solid state, most likely you can make cars like US, japan, germany and Korea.

But not the other way around, if you know how to make cars , doesn't mean you are good at solid state.

antimatter said:

Sweden and Italy also made cars but they are no good at solid state therefore those two are nowhere near the overall technical advance level of Korea.
Soild state deals with molecular level more fundamental than car technology.

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And yet they still make cars they are far more desirable than SK's, go figure.....