HAL Tejas Jet Fighter

Jeff Head

General
Registered Member
The LCA is an indigenous project and it is flying and now being produced.

As such the Indians would be wise to use it to compliment the better performing foreign purchased aircraft they have...and IMHO both for the Indian Air Force and for the Indian Navy.

They have to start somewhere, and now they have an aircraft to start with.

If they nurture the technology, and improve this aircraft over time, it will lead to future, better designs in the years ahead.
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
Actually, I think the Indian Military is suffering from the same problem the Chinese Air Force had during the Cultural Revolution era and the 80s. They want ridiculously high performances for the indigenous effort. Take the J-9 project, for instance. The PLAAF first wanted double "25s" (25,000m ceiling and MACH 2.5 airspeed), but then quickly scaled up to double "28s", even dismissing CAC's request to compensate speed with greater agility and better avionics. In the end, despite all the effort that Song Wencong and his team poured into the project, nothing came out of it until the J-10 finally entered service in the mid-2000s. In a documentary on J-10's first flight Song Wengcong and a fellow engineer of similar age were in tears after Lei Qiang landed. Given all that they've been through, I can understand why.

Indian Air Force is perhaps worse in this regard since both Western and Russian Aircraft companies are desperate to push their products to it and, unlike China during the 1980s, India actually has a strong enough economy to support such purchases. The incentive to "indigenize" is not that strong in India since barring a brief period following their nuclear test in the 90s, they never experienced the same scale of arms embargo (from both sides of the Iron Curtain, for that matter), that China endured between 1960 and 1980. In fact I almost understand IAF's reasoning? Why don't you get the greatest bang for the buck with proven foreign arms developed by aerospace companies with decades of experience instead of potentially risking a less capable and worthy indigenous product? LCA is almost like India's J-8 in that regard. Both are first attempts at completely new domestic design of a combat aircraft that's not really state of the art compared with contemporary fighters. However, there is a key difference. China during the 70s and 80s didn't really have a choice and had to grit her teeth to induct the J-8s. India, on the other hand, isn't in the same dire straits as China, with France and Russia offering far more capable platforms. I think the true reason that the LCA took so long to induct isn't so much that there is something fundamentally bad with the engineering, but resistance and pressure from some elements in the Indian Air Force. It took several one-sided victories by the J-10s over the Su-27s for it to win favors with PLAAF. Perhaps that's the best chance for LCA as well.

What I've read it's a case of too many chefs in the kitchen. The various people who have a say all disagree and have their own interests and it's usually corruption at the heart of it.
 

thunderchief

Senior Member
Tejas better than J/F-17 according to the article. How is what I would to know?

Strictly on paper it is : cranked delta wing , bigger percentage of composites , reduced RCS , somewhat better T/W etc ...

Problem is , by the time it get introduced JF-17 would move on . Currently , Tejas is in IOC stage and there is still no serial production (each plane is slightly different then other ) . Things may change in the future , and a lot of things would depend on Rafale deal :

More Turbulence Likely for Air Force’s Rafale Deal

There are fresh signs of trouble for the country’s ‘mother of all deals’ to buy 126 French Rafale combat planes.
After Defence Minister A K Antony told a DefExpo press conference last week that there were complaints regarding the life cycle cost of the 126 medium multirole combat aircraft (MMRCA) that the IAF is buying, he told Parliament on Monday that all of the MiG-21 and MiG-27 combat planes would be replaced by the indigenous Light Combat Aircraft (LCA).
Antony told the Lok Sabha in written replies to questions that there were 14 combat squadrons of the IAF that use the two Russian-origin single-engine planes and these would be phased out over the next few years. These “will be replaced by the LCA”. Antony’s statement is a major setback for the MMRCA project for which Rafale has been chosen as the lowest bidding aircraft two years ago and the contract, said to be worth Rs 1 lakh crore, is yet to be signed.
The IAF had originally planned to equip the squadrons that fly the MiG-21s and MiG-27s with the plane chosen under the MMRCA procurment, which now obviously is the Rafale. Though Antony said the Rafale procurement is in the pipeline and that there was no rethink on it now, the trouble with its life-cycle cost calculation is likely to delay the signing of the contract, as he has already indicated that it was not possible within this fiscal. As the UPA’s return to power at the Centre is not certain and hence, the new government may take a while to study the Rafale purchase before taking a decision.
However, as things stand today, the LCA has obtained its initial operational clearance in December 2013 and is readying to get its final operational clearance by the end of 2014.
Till now, the MoD only ordered two squadrons comprising 20 LCAs each -- one in the LCA in IOC configuration and another in FOC configuration -- making it a total of 40
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IAF will buy 14 Tejas squadrons, lowering costs

India’s own fighter, the Tejas Light Combat Aircraft (LCA), is playing a growing role in protecting Indian airspace. On December 20, when the Tejas was cleared for operational service in the Indian Air Force (IAF), Defence Minister A K Antony declared 200 Tejas fighters would eventually enter combat service. Today, that figure quietly swelled to well above 300, with the government indicating the IAF would have at least 14 Tejas squadrons.

Each IAF combat squadron has 21 fighter aircraft; 14 squadrons add to 294 Tejas fighters. The 21 comprise 16 frontline, single-seat fighters, two twin-seat trainers and three reserve aircraft to make up losses in a war.

In a written statement tabled in the Lok Sabha on Monday, Antony’s deputy, Jitendra Singh, stated, “The MiG-21 and MiG-27 aircrafts of the IAF have already been upgraded and currently equip 14 combat squadrons. These aircraft, however, are planned for being phased out over the next few years and will be replaced by the LCA.”

So far, the IAF has committed to inducting only six Tejas squadrons — two squadrons of the current Tejas Mark I, and four squadrons of the improved Tejas Mark II. In addition, the navy plans to buy 40-50 Tejas for its future aircraft carriers.

Since the programme began in 1985, about Rs 7,000 crore have been spent on the Tejas Mark I, which obtained Initial Operational Clearance in December, allowing regular IAF pilots to fly it. By the end of this year, when it obtains Final Operational Clearance, it would have consumed a Budget of Rs 7,965 crore.

An additional Rs 2,432 crore has been allocated for the Tejas Mark II, which takes the total development cost of the IAF variant to Rs 10,397 crore.

Separately, Rs 3,650 crore were sanctioned for developing the naval Tejas, which is ongoing. That means the Aeronautical Development Agency will spend Rs 14,047 crore on the entire Tejas programme, including the IAF, naval and trainer variants.

Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd, which manufactures the Tejas, has quoted Rs 162 crore a fighter as its latest price. Amortising the entire development cost on the envisioned 344 fighters (IAF: 294; Navy: 50), the Tejas would cost Rs 209 crore ($33.5 million) per fighter.

In comparison, the IAF’s Mirage 2000 fighters, bought in the 1980s, are currently being upgraded for $45 million per aircraft. IAF pilots that test-fly the Tejas Mark I find it qualitatively superior to the Mirage 2000.

The heavier Sukhoi-30MKI costs more than Rs 400 crore ($65 million) each. And the Rafale, which is currently being negotiated with Dassault, is pegged at Rs 750-850 crore ($120-140 million) per fighter.

Aerospace expert and historian, Pushpindar Singh, points out that ordering more Tejas would bring down the price further, making it enormously attractive for air forces across the world that are replacing some 3,500 MiG-21, Mirage-III, early model F-16 and F-5 fighters that are completing their service lives.

“With these air forces facing severe budget pressures, the Tejas has only one rival in this market — the JF-17 Thunder, being built by China in partnership with Pakistan. They are marketing the JF-17 aggressively in every global air show, but India is completely ignoring the Tejas’ potential,” said Singh.

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aksha

Captain
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Jeff Head

General
Registered Member
This is a fairly even handed video that looks at the various specifications and capabilities of the LCA and JF-17.

[video=youtube;cXf8ykMCvNc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXf8ykMCvNc[/video]

I believe both are going to be good aircraft for the duties and purposes of India and Pakistan repsectfully.

I also believe, that the LCA could, if India were willing, be a fairly decent export market aircraft too.
 

Miragedriver

Brigadier
What I've read it's a case of too many chefs in the kitchen. The various people who have a say all disagree and have their own interests and it's usually corruption at the heart of it.

I have also heard unsubstantiated rumors of Indian corruption (from Indians). Too many bureaucrats that are not willing to stick their necks out and loose a cushy government employment. This is very common in the third world.

I googled the newspaper the article appear in and they are an anti-establishment publication. There may or may not be some truth to the allegations presented. I believe the assumption by Assassins Mace may be on the mark. The Tejas utilizes some advanced concepts and it may be possible that the current industry cannot adequately mass produce this design. As all you engineers out there know, sometime it’s difficult to construct some designs.
 

aksha

Captain
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DRDO has taken up the development of flight control radar for fighter aircraft with 100 km range and multimode operation. Realisation and calibration of prototype Active Aperture Array Antenna Unit (AAAU) has been completed with indigenous TR modules. Airworthy radar processor and exciterreceiver have been realised and tested on a high rise platform in Mechanical Scanned Array (MSA) configuration for validation of various algorithms and waveforms of the fire control radar. Software development for air-air sub-modes has been carried out.
 
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