H-6 Bomber Aircraft Discussions

Air launch, ground launch, probably counts up to the 200km range. Beyond that, its more a matter of getting the right flight profile, drag coefficiency, fuel efficiency and how much fuel it packs in.

图文巨泄：我军轰炸机的旋转式发射架图样设计已完成

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article claim that the development for rotary bomb/missile rack for bomber finally finished.

pictures of H-6K, not sure when they are taken, but they are taken from CFTE based on other pictures I saw.

A.Man, yes, I deleted your post again, it really should not be that hard for you to save those photos and then attach them.

tphuang said:

pictures of H-6K, not sure when they are taken, but they are taken from CFTE based on other pictures I saw.

A.Man, yes, I deleted your post again, it really should not be that hard for you to save those photos and then attach them.

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I heard the H-6K development is STILL being sidelined by late aircraft engine deliveries of D-30KP engines.

Semi-Lobster said:

I heard the H-6K development is STILL being sidelined by late aircraft engine deliveries of D-30KP engines.

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They have taken the delivery of probably around 50 D-30KP2 from the Russians this year, so they can build 10 H-6K, but the question is whether or not this project is still ongoing after all of the delays.

tphuang said:

pictures of H-6K, not sure when they are taken, but they are taken from CFTE based on other pictures I saw.

A.Man, yes, I deleted your post again, it really should not be that hard for you to save those photos and then attach them.

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Not a problem at all.

I am wondering for how long is PLAAF going to field the H-6. By today's standard, I really think they are getting old and quite obsolete, despite all the upgrades they have on them.

At this point, isn´t better to leap one or two generations of bombers and to go directly to a stealth bomber UAV?

Also, their priority appears to be the fifth gen. fighter, since it can be delivered faster and would be vital for China defense.

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Also. How many countries in the world, today, have an industry ready to build long range bombers and its complement of long range cruise missiles?
Having this capability, gives China a tool that few countries can develope, build and field for their defenses.
Only USA has a long range stealth bomber, and they have "only" 20 of them.
So i think it´s no small feat for China to build and operate this old design with modern missiles.

alopes said:

At this point, isn´t better to leap one or two generations of bombers and to go directly to a stealth bomber UAV?

Also, their priority appears to be the fifth gen. fighter, since it can be delivered faster and would be vital for China defense.

Edited.

Also. How many countries in the world, today, have an industry ready to build long range bombers and its complement of long range cruise missiles?
Having this capability, gives China a tool that few countries can develope, build and field for their defenses.
Only USA has a long range stealth bomber, and they have "only" 20 of them.
So i think it´s no small feat for China to build and operate this old design with modern missiles.

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Yes. I agreed with your assessment. However what I am coming at is, what is the efficiency of H-6 in today's context? Note that the potential enemy which China might required the use of H-6 is Russia, India and some of the ASEAN countries. Japan and SK could be dealt with with ballistic missiles (in actual fact most of the other targets could also be dealt with using ballistic missiles).

If enemy had comprehensive air defence system (country like Japan and SK and Russia), then the H-6 would more or less be like a flying coffin, easily knocked out of the sky.

Thus the only thing that I see in the H-6 is to bully smaller ASEAN nations into submission in case of war... but against stronger nation, China is better off using ballistic missiles.

Well, I guess if China is going to fight a low-med intensity conflict in wich it's modern fighter force should be able to optain air-supremacy rather quickly, even an old H-6 has it's merrits. It provides a large payload and a loiter capability, combined with guided munitions, if integrated, that allows for a timely engagement of targets of opportunity, that pop up and disappear again.
The US is still using it's B-52s, for the missions in Iraq and A-stan absolutely enough.
And I believe you can still train and develop tactics and employment procedures with these aircraft, so that when PLAAF transitions to a newer airplane, the knowledge is still there.
Regarding big stealth UCAVs, I think that's still way into the future. After the J-8s, China went all the way through the process of building J-11 and J-10 like aircraft to end up being able to produce some kind of a fifth gen fighter at some point. Even with the know-how acquired there, I doubt they could really leap frog all the technology in between H-6 and a stealth UCAV without big problems.