H-20 bomber (with H-X, JH-XX)

SinoSoldier

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Bltizo said:
Actually vesicles was saying that the photo probably showed a museum (aka not an actual workshop or lab as part of SAC). I think that's a reasonable argument, but IMO everything in the photo could also be an actual lab or workshop as well.

The issue is what the visit was actually about -- I agree that civilians would not be let near any sensitive information, but at the same time there's nothing in the picture to suggest there is anything "sensitive".

The cockpit flight simulators are probably not particularly sensitive. The mock up of the potential JH-XX nose in the background is arguably the most "sensitive" -- but not necessarily because of what may be inside, but probably because of the fact that it exists in the first place, because if this photo was actually taken at SAC then the presence of that mock up means that they've likely done some research work into the aircraft in the past. Whether it means the project had since been cancelled with no active work on it at present, is another matter.


edit: also, what weapons bay photo are you talking about before?
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Even if it's just a part of the JH-XX's nose, it is tacit acknowledgement that the project exists, which would be a fairly major reveal and unlike the historical practices of SAC (or any other Chinese aviation institution). Hence, I now think that the model represents either a generic nondescript plane or perhaps a cancelled proposal for the JH-XX.

The weapons bay model in question: https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/shenyang-fc-31-j-31-fighter-demonstrator.t5693/page-541#post-502893
 
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SinoSoldier said:
Even if it's just a part of the JH-XX's nose, it is tacit acknowledgement that the project exists, which would be a fairly major reveal and unlike the historical practices of SAC (or any other Chinese aviation institution). Hence, I now think that the model represents either a generic nondescript plane or perhaps a cancelled proposal for the JH-XX.
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I agree that merely showing part of the nose mock up would be acknowledgement that the project had some work done on it in the past.

Assuming that its presence in this photo was not an accident (though there is some possibility it might be), we have to think about why they would allow them to include it.

A: the slightly more likely possibility, which is that the aircraft is not being pursued and so it doesn't really matter if a part of it is revealed
B: another possibility, which IMO we can't exclude, is that this aircraft is under development this photo is intended to be a "deliberate" leak. It isn't unprecedented either, for example we all remember the "F-60" model at that UAV competition quite a few years back which everyone wrote off as a meaningless model but it turned out to be a precursor to the revelation of FC-31. Now, FC-31 obviously wasn't a project the PLA had committed to and it was export oriented.

So first IMO, we need to confirm whether this photo was actually taken at SAC or if it is just at a museum or theme park or something.


The weapons bay model in question: https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/shenyang-fc-31-j-31-fighter-demonstrator.t5693/page-541#post-502893
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Thanks, I edited my previous reply to account for it.
 
SinoSoldier

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Bltizo said:
I agree that merely showing part of the nose mock up would be acknowledgement that the project had some work done on it in the past.

Assuming that its presence in this photo was not an accident (though there is some possibility it might be), we have to think about why they would allow them to include it.

A: the slightly more likely possibility, which is that the aircraft is not being pursued and so it doesn't really matter if a part of it is revealed
B: another possibility, which IMO we can't exclude, is that this aircraft is under development this photo is intended to be a "deliberate" leak. It isn't unprecedented either, for example we all remember the "F-60" model at that UAV competition quite a few years back which everyone wrote off as a meaningless model but it turned out to be a precursor to the revelation of FC-31. Now, FC-31 obviously wasn't a project the PLA had committed to and it was export oriented.

So first IMO, we need to confirm whether this photo was actually taken at SAC or if it is just at a museum or theme park or something.




Thanks, I edited my previous reply to account for it.
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It's certainly possible that it was a controlled leak, but to have it as an exhibit for a bunch of high school students is a tad odd, even for SAC standards. The F-60 was revealed at an university-level UAV design competition where one would partially expect to see future military designs.

I cannot personally (via translation) confirm that it was taken at SAC, but post #889 might give some additional clues for those who can read it.
 
SinoSoldier

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Huitong seems to be buying into the JH-XX bomber theory based on the cockpit photo.

A new medium size/medium range semi-stealth fighter bomber concept (
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?) has been studied at the 601 Institute since 2010s. It might feature a twin seat cockpit and twin engines similar to those of Russian Su-34. The current status of this project is unknown.
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SinoSoldier said:
Perhaps the following poster might provide some context (translation needed). A representative of the Shenyang Bureau of Labor was allegedly present at the exhibit.

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梅守保, 总体气动部战术与飞行仿真室副主任

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The person seems to be the deputy director of "overall aerodynamic tactic and flight simulation unit" of 601. The red poster is the description of him being awarded as the model of labor "劳动模范".
 
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taxiya

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With 梅守保 the deputy director doing the demonstration, I don't think this is a outside theme park or museum. And those "kids" should not be civilians at all. They could be the students of AVIC technical schools (providing highly skilled workers). All these AVIC units have such schools. Normally, people entering these schools after junior high, the school last for 2 to 3 years. They will gain 大专 (similar to diploma in Europe), one rank below Bachelor which must be 4 to 5 years. They are less theoretical trained like Bachelor and Master, but highly skilled and specialized in one specific area, like operating machines and tools or forging and milling etc.
 
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taxiya

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Could this mockup being this one? However, even if it is, it does not necessarily mean it is under development. It could be that the project is terminated, but assets are left for education purpose, like flight simulator, after all it is the school.
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