Global Chinese diplomatic presence and intervention?

I like this part of an that posits despite the more aggressive official government stance against US Hegemony, Xi is still making sure to portray China as a third party.

China itself has refused to supply military gear to Russia. For example, in November, China (& Qazaqstan) refused to tender for 200k winter uniforms after 1.5m went missing from Russian army stocks. (only now are Russian soldiers getting warm white uniforms from North Korea – just in time for spring). Even more pointedly, on the 15 February China returned to using the Chinese names of the cities and towns in Outer Manchuria, currently occupied by Russia thanks to the only outstanding Unequal Treaty. (The US media frenzy about China perhaps offering assistance to Russia was misplaced or deliberately whipped up). Xi has owed Putin a return state visit for over a year. Russia seems to have expected him in early March but the foreign minister came, with a peace plan, instead. Xi has now decided to come but only with a well declared discussion with Zelensky (by Zoom?) as part of the tour.

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Real audience of China's diplomatic efforts has always been the EU swing states and the Global South. I think Xi is doing the best move, especially to prevent some unreliable actor like Indonesia or Brazil from forming a completely separate "non-aligned" movement.

Russians will and are actively trying to sabotage this intent, of course, trumpeting about how much China has their back at every chance they get (RT and Pepe Escobar, I'm looking at you). "Sino-Russo Entente" is just as misleading and biased a term as "the Indo-Pacific". Jeeze, I didn't think I could read outside of MSM. "India’s multipolar grand strategy"? "India is poised to lead the "? !

Any hopes India had in being a player on the world stage died with . Really puts into perspective how much of a difference Indonesia's skilled hospitality and careful mediation made at last year's G20. And Joko Widodo had to do it with temperamental heads of state, not merely foreign ministers. India didn't even produce a joint communique that the FMs could agree on. Not to mention the plagiarism- India practically copied entire passages out of the Bali Declaration for their draft.

The point is, it is lost on our mandarins that the Ukraine crisis has radically transformed in the most recent months since the Bali summit.

Today, it is an incontrovertible fact that the US and NATO are directly involved in the conflict. More importantly, Russia has gained the upper hand militarily and Ukraine stares at defeat despite all the weaponry pumped into that country by the US and its allies.

How is it possible for the Modi government to ignore all this? Worse still, how could the MEA have so flippantly got Modi to mouth a patently absurd quote — ‘Today’s-era-is-not-an-era-of-war’ — that betrays naïveté? Plainly put, India’s consensus-building inevitably narrowed down to Russia accepting exactly the same formulation as in the Bali declaration.

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I'm left wondering if Russia is still trying a "balancing act", or if this is just some bizarre strategy to stroke India's ego and convince them to buy more of Russia's resources/arms.

luminary said:

I like this part of an

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that posits despite the more aggressive official government stance against US Hegemony, Xi is still making sure to portray China as a third party.


Real audience of China's diplomatic efforts has always been the EU swing states and the Global South. I think Xi is doing the best move, especially to prevent some unreliable actor like Indonesia or Brazil from forming a completely separate "non-aligned" movement.

Russians will and are actively trying to sabotage this intent, of course, trumpeting about how much China has their back at every chance they get (RT and Pepe Escobar, I'm looking at you). "Sino-Russo Entente" is just as inaccurate a term as "the Indo-Pacific". Jeeze, I didn't think I could read

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outside of MSM. "India’s multipolar grand strategy"? "India is poised to lead the

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Any hopes India had in being a player on the world stage died with

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. Really puts into perspective how much of a difference Indonesia's skilled hospitality and careful mediation made at last year's G20. And Joko Widodo had to do it with temperamental heads of state, not merely foreign ministers. India didn't even produce a joint communique that the FMs could agree on. Not to mention the plagiarism- India practically copied entire passages out of the Bali Declaration for their draft.


I'm left wondering if Russia is still trying a "balancing act", or if this is just some bizarre strategy to stroke India's ego and convince them to buy more of Russia's oil and arms.

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Russia has no choice but to support India, because it is THE captive market for Russian weapons. Nobody will buy as much as India. For oil, that's debatable.

One inaccuracy in the article you quoted: China is not returning to use of exclusive use of Chinese names for regions in outer Manchuria, it is allowing them for use in official publications as a clarification （括注）. It does not replace the current Russian names.

luminary said:

I like this part of an

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that posits despite the more aggressive official government stance against US Hegemony, Xi is still making sure to portray China as a third party.


Real audience of China's diplomatic efforts has always been the EU swing states and the Global South. I think Xi is doing the best move, especially to prevent some unreliable actor like Indonesia or Brazil from forming a completely separate "non-aligned" movement.

Russians will and are actively trying to sabotage this intent, of course, trumpeting about how much China has their back at every chance they get (RT and Pepe Escobar, I'm looking at you). "Sino-Russo Entente" is just as misleading and biased a term as "the Indo-Pacific". Jeeze, I didn't think I could read

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outside of MSM. "India’s multipolar grand strategy"? "India is poised to lead the

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!

Any hopes India had in being a player on the world stage died with

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. Really puts into perspective how much of a difference Indonesia's skilled hospitality and careful mediation made at last year's G20. And Joko Widodo had to do it with temperamental heads of state, not merely foreign ministers. India didn't even produce a joint communique that the FMs could agree on. Not to mention the plagiarism- India practically copied entire passages out of the Bali Declaration for their draft.


I'm left wondering if Russia is still trying a "balancing act", or if this is just some bizarre strategy to stroke India's ego and convince them to buy more of Russia's resources/arms.

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I mean, despite all the trash talk and abyss level perception of India among China both on a popular and political level, the strategists of China do understand the great value of aligning India.

India is populous. Even through it is a distant 3rd in gdp ranking, it is still 3rd. And you can argue that they are societally paralysed and will remain so, but they're still able to be a captive market and a large supplier of warm bodies.

China is leaving the door open for India, and Russia is a proxy to make them more likely to step in.

As I see it, the "multipolar" model that's being sold is a cynical trick of realpolitk.

China itself is interested in advancing communist development only. It is following the path theorised by Lenin and Stalin about creating "socialism in one nation". Socialism in one nation will be achieved when the living standards of the socialist nation (China) supercedes all major capitalist nations. Then, this model would be readily applied all across China's sphere.

So what then is multipolarity? It is essentially just an arrangement where China incites the target nation into pursuing their sovereign rights, something America hates. Along with incitement, China also makes the target country sanction proof, in order to further drive American active engagement with the target.

That is why, China is now trying to work Turkey, possibly India, despite these countries being pure reactionary nationalist shit holes. It is realpolitik where "strong opinionated" (loudmouth) nations are manipulated to go to the front line against America, which rules its sphere like a dictatorship. Essentially, this is a strategy of inciting the rabble, to thin out the forces of the dictator, while the revolutionary forces are held in reserve.

Notice how Russia is not talking that much about multipolarity anymore. After the Ukraine war, it should now be clear to Russian politicians that they are now not merely one of the incited, but part of the revolutionary.

Biscuits said:

As I see it, the "multipolar" model that's being sold is a cynical trick of realpolitk.

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Biscuits said:

So what then is multipolarity? It is essentially just an arrangement where China incites the target nation into pursuing their sovereign rights, something America hates. Along with incitement, China also makes the target country sanction proof, in order to further drive American active engagement with the target.

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Biscuits said:

That is why, China is now trying to work Turkey, possibly India, despite these countries being pure reactionary nationalist shit holes. It is realpolitik where "strong opinionated" (loudmouth) nations are manipulated to go to the front line against America, which rules its sphere like a dictatorship. Essentially, this is a strategy of inciting the rabble, to thin out the forces of the dictator, while the revolutionary forces are held in reserve.

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Excellent analysis, I share similar views

China is aiming to create as many troubles for the US as possible. Making Turkey, Saudi Arabia, India, Indonesia, Brazil, Africa as poles, is just part of the plan. Even if these poles won't be friendly to China, the moment they start becoming their own poles their interests will inevitably start clashing with American interests. Basically, it will be a net loss for the US Hegemonic empire.

Now when US is dethroned, China will have its own ways to bring these poles under control.

Its a win-win. Countries can become regional powers and poles, while China achieves its purpose of reducing US' power.

This is getting more and more interesting.

luminary said:

I'm left wondering if Russia is still trying a "balancing act", or if this is just some bizarre strategy to stroke India's ego and convince them to buy more of Russia's resources/arms.

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Since 2020, Russia has put a lot of effort to get India to back away from the Quad, warning them Indians they would be dumb to fall for the American trap. Russian efforts should be appreciated. India has proven to be a stronger than expected ally during the Ukraine War. China has done a lot less than what Russia had hoped for. Russia has had to adjust a bit by being less harsh towards India on its choice of the Quad.

Russian foreign minister comments in December 2020:

Overbom said:

Excellent analysis, I share similar views

China is aiming to create as many troubles for the US as possible. Making Turkey, Saudi Arabia, India, Indonesia, Brazil, Africa as poles, is just part of the plan. Even if these poles won't be friendly to China, the moment they start becoming their own poles their interests will inevitably start clashing with American interests. Basically, it will be a net loss for the US Hegemonic empire.

Now when US is dethroned, China will have its own ways to bring these poles under control.

Its a win-win. Countries can become regional powers and poles, while China achieves its purpose of reducing US' power.

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There is no such thing and will never be such a thing as an "Africa" pole. I think the world should start educating themselves on the complexities of the continent (the second largest) and not think of it as one country but as many disparate countries whose foreign policies aren't aligned. Some countries are western friendly, some will tilt towards China, some Russia.

Africablack said:

There is no such thing and will never be such a thing as an "Africa" pole. I think the world should start educating themselves on the complexities of the continent (the second largest) and not think of it as one country but as many disparate countries whose foreign policies aren't aligned. Some countries are western friendly, some will tilt towards China, some Russia.

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China specifically pushes for the African Union. Now if that succeeds or not, it doesn't care. The more problems in the global stage, the more opportunities to distract the hegemon

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distract the hegemon

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The US, France and UK should send thousands of troops to the Sahel to stabilize the regional situation. France created regional instability in 2011 by rallying Europe to go to war against Libya. It resulted in spillover of weapons and chaos into the Sahel. If the Sahel and West Africa both become destabilized then I believe 100 million immigrants from Africa (first and second generation later born in Europe) will be in Europe by 2050. That is too much for Europe to take so the Chinese government should find some way to help the immigrants get to the US and Canada.

China does care about stability in Africa because of investments in natural resources and financing for infrastructure. CNPC has a major investment in the Sahel and West Africa. There is an oil export pipeline under construction from Niger to Benin. Chinese companies have a lot of other investments and projects but smaller in scale.

Biscuits said:

I mean, despite all the trash talk and abyss level perception of India among China both on a popular and political level, the strategists of China do understand the great value of aligning India.

India is populous. Even through it is a distant 3rd in gdp ranking, it is still 3rd. And you can argue that they are societally paralysed and will remain so, but they're still able to be a captive market and a large supplier of warm bodies.

China is leaving the door open for India, and Russia is a proxy to make them more likely to step in.

As I see it, the "multipolar" model that's being sold is a cynical trick of realpolitk.

China itself is interested in advancing communist development only. It is following the path theorised by Lenin and Stalin about creating "socialism in one nation". Socialism in one nation will be achieved when the living standards of the socialist nation (China) supercedes all major capitalist nations. Then, this model would be readily applied all across China's sphere.

So what then is multipolarity? It is essentially just an arrangement where China incites the target nation into pursuing their sovereign rights, something America hates. Along with incitement, China also makes the target country sanction proof, in order to further drive American active engagement with the target.

That is why, China is now trying to work Turkey, possibly India, despite these countries being pure reactionary nationalist shit holes. It is realpolitik where "strong opinionated" (loudmouth) nations are manipulated to go to the front line against America, which rules its sphere like a dictatorship. Essentially, this is a strategy of inciting the rabble, to thin out the forces of the dictator, while the revolutionary forces are held in reserve.

Notice how Russia is not talking that much about multipolarity anymore. After the Ukraine war, it should now be clear to Russian politicians that they are now not merely one of the incited, but part of the revolutionary.

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Interesting. Do you believe China has long-term hegemonic ambitions?

Are its current actions setting the stage for a China-led hegemonic world order, or perhaps a global communist/socialist revolution?

Or is China's long-term end goal the attainment and maintenance of a true multipolar world where China is the "first among equals" with a clearly delineated sphere of influence? (The current official stance driven to its logical conclusion).