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navip635 · Mar 30, 2020

You are not getting it, not just in the UK. If you look it's in many countries, the dark forces aligned with us interests are coordinating efforts to turn PRC into a pariah state. it's not a golden opportunity to be wasted.
Their voices may be presenttly small but when the death toll continues and the economic fallout devastates their gig economies,
the newly destitute and unemployed will be angry, you know what the western MSM going to do? Have you seen any singing praises to PRC's efforts. Done with schadenfreude now they are starting on the hate thing.
G7? note politicians do politicking.
Noticed US passes every single anti-CHina bill with unanimity. Don't underestimate the us deep state and schizophrenics within team Trump.

MrCrazyBoyRavi · Mar 30, 2020

tidalwave said:
There's is a big movement in the senate, that's to designated Wuhan as place of origin of the virus and China government cover up. According to some senators, that's that "day of reckoning" post virus, to make China to pay financially for this. The entire US treasury by China will be wiped out. This is the grand scheme US senators are cooking up currently. As the body counts in US keep rising and economy destroyed, that hatred will increased further. Pretty naive to think just because China sent some medical supplies now, that US won't make China pay later on. I could guarantee US will go that route in some form post virus period .

Prosecution of Huawei will continue even if there's pause here and there until China shore up all its weakness.

As long as US perceive China has a weakness, it will keep hammering on it. Depending on US good will is asking for troubles.

The biggest blunder made in recent times was China helping out US 2009 financial crisis by propping up the world economy by spent huge amount on to stimulate the economy and ever since became hugely indebted and purchased more US treasury. As soon as US recovered, it began its campaign against China.
Time after time, China tried to become a good guy and only afterward realized its effort was counterproductive. It should kick its enemy to the curb while its down.

Going back EUV lithography, China still yet to promote it like they promote AI which they made curriculum in college and even highschool level. They think AI will enable to surpass US. "Catchup and pass by through the curve" the famous phase they used. But they don't realize their foundation is very shaky. AI is built upon and relied upon the underlying technology. That's what US targeting.
Still waiting for that moment.

It doesn’t work like that. Virus pandemic is act of god. Would US pay for millions died in vietnam war? Would they pay for damage done by Swine Flu? Would they pay for damage done due to financial crisis ? Its just pipe dream of some stupid US senetor.

navip635 · Mar 30, 2020

tidalwave said:
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A noob in semi-conductors here.
Is there really no alternative to EUV?
Read somewhere that ASML EUV machines have fairly high down time, that zin droplets blasted by laser cause pollution within the machine especially the mirrors and ASML is still working on achieving HVM ( high vol manufacturing ?).

0Fox0 · Mar 30, 2020

MrCrazyBoyRavi said:
It doesn’t work like that. Virus pandemic is act of god. Would US pay for millions died in vietnam war? Would they pay for damage done by Swine Flu? Would they pay for damage done due to financial crisis ? Its just pipe dream of some stupid US senetor.

Power, not logic, is the arbiter of geopolitics. America illegally invaded, committed genocide, and used chemical weapons in Vietnam without being punished because it's too powerful. Same thing with the American virus, h1n1. They did nothing for 6 months while the world suffered a catastrophic American-made pandemic. The same applied to world financial crisis, an American-made economic collapse.

There's the propaganda eg Western values like "rule of law" and then there's reality,

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for what many believe is an act of American biowarfare against China and Iran.

Many political leaders globally are facing an unprecedented swell of enraged citizens whose livelyhoods are ruined. Simultaneously, America is hijacking that anger to blame China. Suppose America says, "we will FORCE China to pay us compensation". These political leaders have an easy way out. They can gang up with America to rob China to calm their population down. They have a second choice, "do the right thing" and suffer the wrath of a vengeful America. Given the consistent history and ease of successful anti Chinese scapegoating across the world, do you really think they will choose the moral high road when their political careers depends on it?

manqiangrexue · Mar 31, 2020

navip635 said:
You are not getting it, not just in the UK. If you look it's in many countries, the dark forces aligned with us interests are coordinating efforts to turn PRC into a pariah state. it's not a golden opportunity to be wasted.
Their voices may be presenttly small but when the death toll continues and the economic fallout devastates their gig economies,
the newly destitute and unemployed will be angry, you know what the western MSM going to do? Have you seen any singing praises to PRC's efforts. Done with schadenfreude now they are starting on the hate thing.
G7? note politicians do politicking.
Noticed US passes every single anti-CHina bill with unanimity. Don't underestimate the us deep state and schizophrenics within team Trump.

No, I think you're not getting it. You have to separate your imagination from reality. Presently, every country is pushing back against American calls to blame China. You are confusing reality with your own projections. But the US alone is another story; of course they will stop at nothing to try to bring down China. That will never stop as long as China is America's only true rival for the pinnacle of world power. But right now, the world and American allies are turning away from America and towards China. And your response is to push them back. America would love for its mistakes to be counter-balanced by Chinese mistakes like that.

0Fox0 said:
Many political leaders globally are facing an unprecedented swell of enraged citizens whose livelyhoods are ruined. Simultaneously, America is hijacking that anger to blame China. Suppose America says, "we will FORCE China to pay us compensation". These political leaders have an easy way out. They can gang up with America to rob China to calm their population down. They have a second choice, "do the right thing" and suffer the wrath of a vengeful America. Given the consistent history and ease of successful anti Chinese scapegoating across the world, do you really think they will choose the moral high road when their political careers depends on it?

There is no easy way out and no way to force a nuclear power like China to pay for anything, especially when no one can intelligently argue at the UN for why China should pay for anything. Same advice to you as to navi: focus on what's actually happening instead of your imaginary version of what's happening.

tidalwave · Mar 31, 2020

MrCrazyBoyRavi said:
It doesn’t work like that. Virus pandemic is act of god. Would US pay for millions died in vietnam war? Would they pay for damage done by Swine Flu? Would they pay for damage done due to financial crisis ? Its just pipe dream of some stupid US senetor.

It doesn't work like that in your system ? or you talking the American system?

tidalwave · Mar 31, 2020

navip635 said:
A noob in semi-conductors here.
Is there really no alternative to EUV?
Read somewhere that ASML EUV machines have fairly high down time, that zin droplets blasted by laser cause pollution within the machine especially the mirrors and ASML is still working on achieving HVM ( high vol manufacturing ?).

The wavelength has to come down near EUV(13.5nm) or X ray to get resolution near 3, or 5nm. EUV is more economic option than X -ray lithography. ASML has ironed that out already. It achieved HVM.

China hasn't put any effort on DUV either. The previous generation optical lithography before EUV.

DUV is more easier, and that one SMIC got this month from ASML for its 14nm production.

China should just declare EUV project as national project like AI. Just do it.

antiterror13 · Mar 31, 2020

AndrewS said:
I would extend that to: until a vaccine is deployed or enough of the population has been infected and become immune.

The perverse thing is, if China still expects to be attacked by the US after this is all over, then what incentive does China have to help out the US?

Thats the reality of being a superpower, it would get attack or condemned everyday

antiterror13 · Mar 31, 2020

tidalwave said:
How it would go down technically is US would freeze that account.
There is no equal value of US govenment assets in China unless you count private US companies investment but they are not the same.

It seems you have no a slight clues how the T-Bills work :-( ... just focus to what you know best lithography

antiterror13 · Mar 31, 2020

Hendrik_2000 said:
This is all noise and will never reached realization because as I said the American budget is funded by borrowed money and the reason why foreigner lend money at subbar interest is because they trust the american financial integrity meaning they will pay on time. Removed that where are they going to get the money? Plus China can nationalized all the american asset in china They did it in 1950's.

And should China also for demand compensation for H1 N! or Swine Flu ? How about Ebola ? You are opening pandora box here

and China would demand all the damages during opium wars, the burning of Summer palace, etc, etc ... heheheheh

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