Germany Carl Zeiss, heart of Dutch ASML Lithography Equipment.

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Pkp88

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Articles on the internet and the fact that the military has access to non-foreign chips points toward some concept of a domestic lithography capability. The barrier outside of sub 5nm feels like they lack lithography equipment that can mass produce chips on an industrial scale. What are the barriers to building lithography capability that can help with mass production at 7nm+ ? This would be away from ASML?
 

ZeEa5KPul

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The smartphone side is not national security related, but it does benefit from access to the latest semiconductor process nodes which use less battery electricity.
Are process nodes <=7nm militarily relevant? Would they improve sensor performance and miniaturize sensors enough to have multi-mode AAMs for instance? Do you know what feature sizes most military chips use?
 

AndrewS

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Are process nodes <=7nm militarily relevant? Would they improve sensor performance and miniaturize sensors enough to have multi-mode AAMs for instance? Do you know what feature sizes most military chips use?

Not really my forte.

If I recall correctly, GaA and GaN radar modules are fabricated at 22nm?
Because they don't have the production volumes to justify a smaller node?

And GaN modules on an AAM should be much more effective.

But then the back end waveform processing is done with general purpose CPUs and/or FPGAs and/or ASICs.
And some of these would be fabricated at <=7nm in the future?

In general, I think the difference in power/weight for 22nm vs 7nm microchips is negligible - when you compare against the overall power/weight of the system.
 

Pkp88

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Not really my forte.

If I recall correctly, GaA and GaN radar modules are fabricated at 22nm?
Because they don't have the production volumes to justify a smaller node?

And GaN modules on an AAM should be much more effective.

But then the back end waveform processing is done with general purpose CPUs and/or FPGAs and/or ASICs.
And some of these would be fabricated at <=7nm in the future?

In general, I think the difference in power/weight for 22nm vs 7nm microchips is negligible - when you compare against the overall power/weight of the system.


The lithography for those is done within China or do they still use external sources somehow?
 

Chish

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I was pointing out doing EUV from scratch by China is not easy take many years or may not come through.

so you saying you not convinced that it should be easy?? What you trying to say.
I have reservations of who you seem to be. Sorry being sceptic but you are talking like someone who is enforcing your own ideology rather than as a technical specialist.
 

ZeEa5KPul

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I have reservations of who you seem to be. Sorry being sceptic but you are talking like someone who is enforcing your own ideology rather than as a technical specialist.
The whole thing strikes me as pretty strange too. If he is a technical expert then why doesn't he get in touch with other experts (these communities of researchers and applied scientists are very tight-knit, all go to the same conferences, know each other on a first name basis, etc.) and investors and put a company together? The government opened a floodgate of investment into this sector, so why isn't he getting himself some of it if he's got it all figured out? Make some money for himself and do his country good. Hell, why doesn't he propose working on these products to the company he's employed by?
 

coolieno99

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Looks like they these people in particular got their Sputnik moment.
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No, I don't think you can judge anything by their non-response. In what capacity did you approach them? As a customer? Certainly not. As a technical expert? What reputation do you have in this field that they should listen to you?
Steve Job(co-founder of Apple) as a kid(about 12 yrs old) look in the phone book for W. Hewlett(Hewlett-Packard) phone number and call him for help in finding parts to build a binary counter.. Mr. Hewlett actually help him.to get the parts.
Later in life, Steve Jobs call H-P again about starting a personal computer business. H-P turn him down. Then Steve Jobs went ahead with 2 other guys ,and started the company, Apple.
 

2handedswordsman

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Steve Job(co-founder of Apple) as a kid(about 12 yrs old) look in the phone book for W. Hewlett(Hewlett-Packard) phone number and call him for help in finding parts to build a binary counter.. Mr. Hewlett actually help him.to get the parts.
Later in life, Steve Jobs call H-P again about starting a personal computer business. H-P turn him down. Then Steve Jobs went ahead with 2 other guys ,and started the company, Apple.

Truth is that things aren't so simple nowdays. Corporations many times do not answer at CV applications that they initially and officially asked for. How about a "crazy idea" of a "lone pervert". You cannot say, ok i go to crowfund or startup to buy some lithograph equipment and built some 7nm chips. An offset lithograph printing machine is way more plausible :p Things are way more complicated and much more delicated nowdays.
 

tidalwave

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A friend of mine hooked me with Chinese VC group which very much interested in this project. I will serve as consultant to them, advise them what tools available , what group of people can be utilized, and list the short and long term goal. This post kind of helped me organized and prepared for this opportunity. For the naysayers, I just give them the middle finger , fuk off and carry on. Marching ahead to my stated goal. As long as you feel like you doing something that you are very much interested, that's all it matter.
 

antiterror13

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A friend of mine hooked me with Chinese VC group which very much interested in this project. I will serve as consultant to them, advise them what tools available , what group of people can be utilized, and list the short and long term goal. This post kind of helped me organized and prepared for this opportunity. For the naysayers, I just give them the middle finger , fuk off and carry on. Marching ahead to my stated goal. As long as you feel like you doing something that you are very much interested, that's all it matter.

wowww, so what are you doing "wasting" your time here with endless arguing with many of us ? ... would it be better to spend your time as a consultant earns big buck ;););)
 
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