Future PLAN naval and carrier operations

AndrewS

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Are you defending the USN's ability to conduct a 2000 km perimeter CAP or are you suggesting that by 2040 the PLAN CVG would be contracted off to the USN to operate?

If you wish to taken seriously please provide the contents description that support the notion that the USN can conduct a 2000 km perimeter CAP and even if that is true how would that equally apply to the PLAN? Mentioning a link is frankly not good enough.

Then you should read the full CSBA paper which describes the proposed operating profile of future US carriers
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Basically, the CSBA are proposing a new airwing with drones to operate CAP at 2000km.
It's certainly possible to construct such an airwing, but most of the aircraft envisioned currently do not exist.

Given the aircraft we've seen so far plus a military budget which would be larger than the US circa 2030-2035, it should be feasible for the Chinese carrier programme to field an equivalent airwing in the future.
 

Iron Man

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stealthy or not, a hail missiles could be sent by China against an Opfor in the SCS, as in "saturation attack"
Yes, saturation attack is the current modus operandi of your average non-stealthy cruise missile. China has plenty of capability in this regard. This however is not what Biscuits is claiming. He is claiming 3 things: stealth, cooperation, and ECCM (incorrectly described as "ECM"). American missiles such as LRASM are claimed to have stealth; their shapes certainly lend credence to this claim. No Chinese ASCM has any evidence of stealth-shaping that I've seen, nor are there even claims made about any of them being stealthy. Russian missiles like the P-700 Granit have cooperative engagement modes when fired in groups, where only one missile at a time will briefly pop up above the radar horizon to acquire the target then pop down and relay the information to the rest of the Granits in the formation. I've never read anything that claims that any Chinese ASCM has this capability designed in. As for ECCM, this is pretty much a given for a modern ASCM. More powerful/modern radars, especially AESA, for burn through jam, frequency agility, pulse compression, and various software tricks, etc. can increase a missile's chances vs a target trying to jam or spoof the missile.
 
Well it goes without saying that expansion of naval personnel and expansion of competency and upskilling will occur for the navy overall, not only for the purposes of building carrier battle groups but also for an expanding SSN fleet, SSBN fleet, etc.
also of interest would be a size and composition of air wings for Chinese carriers you envisioned Yesterday at 2:20 PM
 
2000km is based on the CSBA study on proposed US aircraft carrier operations 2040.

The link is earlier in the thread.
Andy don't play games with me; I've now searched, in vain,
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for 2000 km CAP-radius

you said
Yesterday at 2:10 PM
"That is a dicey proposition given the B-1B has a huge radar signature and Fighter Cap is expected to operate 2000km from a Chinese carrier or the numerous Chinese airbases."

so back it up on the board with a link and page number:


(I already asked you Yesterday at 8:01 PM
Andy you sure of two-thousand km CAP radius around a Chinese carrier?

if so, please describe how you'd make this happen
:
)
 
... Russian missiles like the P-700 Granit have cooperative engagement modes when fired in groups, where only one missile at a time will briefly pop up above the radar horizon to acquire the target then pop down and relay the information to the rest of the Granits in the formation. ...
what's really cool is a swarm of Sandboxes, back in 1970s, would've been able to replace its "leading" missile if it (the missile) was taken down:

the last sentence of Волчья стая П-500 paragraph in
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(I know it's kind of popular text, LOL P-500 Wolfpack, but I've read this info elsewhere, too)

the point here is "can be done, will be done"
 

AndrewS

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Andy don't play games with me; I've now searched, in vain,
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for 2000 km CAP-radius

you said
Yesterday at 2:10 PM
"That is a dicey proposition given the B-1B has a huge radar signature and Fighter Cap is expected to operate 2000km from a Chinese carrier or the numerous Chinese airbases."

so back it up on the board with a link and page number:


(I already asked you Yesterday at 8:01 PM
)

I'm not playing games. At the bottom of the page, are links to download the slides, download the full pdf and to read it online instead.

As for operating a B-1B in the presence of any hostile fighter aircraft.

That simply comes from LRASM having a 1000km range versus fighter CAP which can operate 2000km away.

And a B-1 has a very large radar return.
 
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I'm not playing games. At the bottom of the page, are links to download the slides, download the full pdf and to read it online instead.

As for operating a B-1B in the presence of any hostile fighter aircraft.

That simply comes from LRASM having a 1000km range versus fighter CAP which can operate 2000km away.

And a B-1 had a very large radar return.
LOL Andrew you're kidding me with

"At the bottom of the page, are links to download the slides, download the full pdf and to read it online instead."

after I asked you Today at 7:54 AM

to back it up on the board with a link and page number

("it" = your claim of 2000 km Chinese carrier CAP radius Yesterday at 2:10 PM)

Yesterday at 8:01 PM
Andy you sure of two-thousand km CAP radius around a Chinese carrier?

if so, please describe how you'd make this happen
:
 

AndrewS

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Registered Member
LOL Andrew you're kidding me with

"At the bottom of the page, are links to download the slides, download the full pdf and to read it online instead."

after I asked you Today at 7:54 AM

to back it up on the board with a link and page number

("it" = your claim of 2000 km Chinese carrier CAP radius Yesterday at 2:10 PM)

Yesterday at 8:01 PM

Look at the pretty pictures provided by the CSBA on page 1 of this thread. They envision a carrier CAP at 1000nm which is roughly 2000km.
 

Air Force Brat

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thank you for finally confirming you've made it up

("it" = your claim of 2000 km Chinese carrier CAP radius Yesterday at 2:10 PM)

Yep, more "California Dreamin" here on SDF, (think 15T J-20 empty weight), if you are a thousand miles away from the boat? (no way in hell thats gonna happen), you're NOT flying a fighter cap! and those B-1s (which are small in total numbers) have suddenly become magnitudes more dangerous.

but honestly, those carrier battle groups are in far more jeopardy from an attack submarine fleet
 
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