Funny Stuff Thread.... to loosen your day

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SanWenYu

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BoraTas said:
The USA should first solve the tiny problem of 3 train derailments a day. After decades of neglect and making everything a legal blackhole they have many low hanging apples to collect in infrastructure.

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The graph did a great job fooling me on the first look. I thought "Oh at least they managed to cut the derailments by more than half." Then I realized that the baseline is 900 not zero!
 
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supersnoop said:
If it was a LLM Generated article trained on typical Indian media articles, there would be 15 quotes from "Air Marshals" about how the stealth of the J-20 has an inferior radar signature to even the Su-30MKI
Rafale with Meteor can wipe out J-10 from Pakistan and China
Chinese copies of Su-27/30 are inferior copies since India has the original Russian specification
etc. etc.

These are all real claims from actual Indian media, not just a blogger. He actually doesn't make those kinds of outrageous claims. He is absolutely correct that IAF was technologically superior than PLAAF prior to the 90's. I'm not saying this is a good article (for example he totally ignores the far greater number of AWACS and EW aircraft of PLAAF), but I think an AI article would actually be much much worse.
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Very debatable how superior IAF was vs PLAAF in 1980's.

IAF had ~300 Mig-21s (air superiority), ~40 Mig-23MF (air superiority), ~90 Mig-23BNs (fighter bombers), ~250 Hawker Hunters (1st gen 1940's jets), and had just received 36 Mirage-2000s, their first order of 4th gen jets in history, in 1985.

Basically ~400 3rd gen or better air superiority aircraft.

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Su-30 MKI was still 15 years away.

In 1985 China had something like 2000+ J-7s and 300+ J-8s. Unlike Indian Mig-21s which were vintage Soviet that they couldn't even maintain themselves, China had fully mastered J-7 and even built the J-7E redesign in 1987.

So India in 1980's still had no chance. They didn't have a qualitative edge and had a massive quantitative disadvantage.

In the 90's, China imported S-300s (1993) and Su-27s (1992) before India imported Su-30 MKI (2002).

So there was never a time when India could beat China in the air.
 
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FairAndUnbiased said:
Very debatable how superior IAF was vs PLAAF in 1980's.

IAF had ~300 Mig-21s (air superiority), ~40 Mig-23MF (air superiority), ~90 Mig-23BNs (fighter bombers), ~250 Hawker Hunters (1st gen 1940's jets), and had just received 36 Mirage-2000s, their first order of 4th gen jets in history, in 1985.

Basically ~400 3rd gen or better air superiority aircraft.

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Su-30 MKI was still 15 years away.

In 1985 China had something like 2000+ J-7s and 300+ J-8s. Unlike Indian Mig-21s which were vintage Soviet that they couldn't even maintain themselves, China had fully mastered J-7 and even built the J-7E redesign in 1987.

So India in 1980's still had no chance. They didn't have a qualitative edge and had a massive quantitative disadvantage.

In the 90's, China imported S-300s (1993) and Su-27s (1992) before India imported Su-30 MKI (2002).

So there was never a time when India could beat China in the air.
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Well tbh if you go back to civil war era, India(British Raj) probably had more and better planes at some point than the PLA. Especially when they were holed up in Yan'an.
 
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supersnoop

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FairAndUnbiased said:
Very debatable how superior IAF was vs PLAAF in 1980's.

IAF had ~300 Mig-21s (air superiority), ~40 Mig-23MF (air superiority), ~90 Mig-23BNs (fighter bombers), ~250 Hawker Hunters (1st gen 1940's jets), and had just received 36 Mirage-2000s, their first order of 4th gen jets in history, in 1985.

Basically ~400 3rd gen or better air superiority aircraft.

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Su-30 MKI was still 15 years away.

In 1985 China had something like 2000+ J-7s and 300+ J-8s. Unlike Indian Mig-21s which were vintage Soviet that they couldn't even maintain themselves, China had fully mastered J-7 and even built the J-7E redesign in 1987.

So India in 1980's still had no chance. They didn't have a qualitative edge and had a massive quantitative disadvantage.

In the 90's, China imported S-300s (1993) and Su-27s (1992) before India imported Su-30 MKI (2002).

So there was never a time when India could beat China in the air.
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I suggest we move any further discussion out of this thread.

MiG-29 was introduced by IAF in the mid 80’s. This easily outclassed all PLA aircraft of the era. As you mentioned, they also got Mirage-2000.

J-8II was only introduced in the mid 80’s. J-8I was pretty much garbage. They did not have 300 J-8II then.

MiG-21 of the IAF was better equipped than most J-7s. PLA lost interest in upgrading them by the 90’s (look at all the stillborn J-7 projects from that era).

S-300 was imported precisely because of PLA weakness. USN was sailing in with impunity, ROCAF intro’d F-16 and Mirage-2000, both with ARH BVR capabilities.

India signed the deal for the MKI in 1996.
 
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