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FORBIN

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-The recent white paper on defence calls for 15 major surface combatants

-In this article the minister only stated 11 FREMMs will be built. He didn't say who will get them. There were rumors about leasing a couple to the Hellenic navy. The third one could go to Morocco who just got one.

-French MoD instructed DCNS to study cost and feasiblity on the upgrade of the LaFayette class Frigates so they may become "Major Surface Combat" thanks to the addition of towed sonar + decent SAM like Mica VL or Aster 15.

That's all we know at this point. 11 FREMMs will get built and jobs are saved no matter what.

In the end France may end up with:
9 Multi purpose FREMMs + 2 Air Defense FREMMS + 2 Horizon + 2 upgraded LaFayette
or
8 Multi purpose FREMMS + 2 Horizon + 5 upgraded LaFayette

Problem is even despite their radar upgrade (Smart S Mk2) the Cassard class are getting old and no matter how you upgrade LaFayettes, there is no way they will be able to provide area air defense.

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Plus DCNS is pushing real hard to sell its FREMM ER
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Agree but some precisions :

Actually we have in France 17 Frigates/Destroyers, White paper 2008 say 18 :
2 Forbin
2 Cassard
7 G Geygues
5 La Fayette
1 new Aquitaine very good trial, all worck : NH-90 ... operational, in fact it is only an administrative matter for the official commissioning

In the end France may end up with:
9 Multi purpose FREMMs + 2 Air Defense FREMMS + 2 Horizon + 2 upgraded La Fayette
or
8 Multi purpose FREMMS + 2 Horizon + 5 upgraded La Fayette

Problem for La Fayette she have no hull sonar and especially can not board NH90.

Another remark 2013 white paper said 3 LHD but we have also the LPD Sirocco (Foudre class 2th) is only 1998, and should be retained.

New combat replenishment ship 4 possible. More big as Durance. Brave project.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
It's not Quite military but Likely any thing that comes from X3 will end up in some one's service.
Eurocopter Ponders X3 Helicopter’s Next Steps
By Tony Osborne, Graham Warwick
Source: Aviation Week & Space Technology

June 17, 2013
Credit: Eurocopter
Tony Osborne London and Graham Warwick Washington

Eurocopter's X3 has claimed the unofficial helicopter speed record from Sikorsky's X2, achieving 255 kt. in level flight and 263 kt. in a dive, and raising the question of what comes next for the European manufacturer's high-speed rotorcraft concept.

In flights at the Istres test base near Marseille, France, in early June the X3 experimental compound helicopter beat its previous top speed of 232 kt. set in May 2011. The new round of high-speed trials follows a lay-up during which the aircraft's gearbox was tweaked to operate at the full power level provided by its two Turbomeca RTM322 turboshafts.

The X3 also was fitted with an aerodynamic fairing around the rotor head to reduce its parasitic drag. The company says test data related to installation of the fairing will be “beneficial for drag optimization across Eurocopter's overall product range.” The X3 has now flown a total of 140 hr. since its maiden flight in September 2010. The company is understood to be planning to retire the X3 toward the end of the year, the aircraft having generated more data on high-speed rotary-wing flight than was originally envisaged.

Sikorsky's rigid coaxial-rotor X2 technology demonstrator achieved 253 kt. in level flight and 262 kt. in a dive in September 2010. The aircraft was retired in July 2011 after logging 22 flight hours, and Sikorsky began development of the 220-kt. S-97 Raider light tactical helicopter. The first of two industry-funded prototypes is scheduled to fly at the end of 2014.

Subsequently, Sikorsky teamed with Boeing for the U.S. Army's planned Future Vertical Lift Medium program to replace the UH-60 Black Hawk beginning in the mid-2030s. The team has been selected to build a 230-kt. compound helicopter demonstrator based on the X2 configuration. The aircraft is planned to fly in 2017 under the Army's Joint Multi-Role (JMR) technology demonstration program.

Eurocopter was expected to propose an X3-configuration demonstrator for JMR, but EADS North America withdrew its bid to focus company resources on the Army's Armed Aerial Scout requirement (AW&ST June 10, p. 31). This raises the question of what the company has planned for the technology.
Eurocopter may now see the X3 as having wider applications in commercial and civilian government roles. Interestingly the company highlights civil missions over military applications, with long-distance search-and-rescue, offshore airlift and passenger transport, along with inter-city shuttle services, suggested as possible roles.

An X3-based compound helicopter called LifeCraft is one of two fast rotorcraft flight demonstrators planned under the Clean Sky 2 research program now being proposed to the European Commission. Planned to fly in 2018, the LifeCraft would have a 220-kt. cruise speed. High-level objectives for the program include demonstrating emergency evacuation over 200 km in less than 30 min., and gate-to-gate travel over 550 km in less than 90 min.

LifeCraft would have the same configuration as the X3, with twin turboshaft engines driving the main rotor and wing-tip variable-speed propellers via a single main transmission. This provides the agility of the helicopter while avoiding the need for a tail rotor and it enables high speed, with the propellers providing propulsion and the wing off-loading the rotor.

Before he retired from Eurocopter, then-CEO Lutz Bertling spoke of the company's vision of providing rotary-wing commuter aircraft which would remove the need for slot use at constrained international airports. He suggested that such an aircraft, perhaps with the X3 technology, could be available in the early 2020s.

It is likely any aircraft using the X3 design would be at the heavy end of the company's product range. The X6, which is understood to be a replacement candidate for the AS332 and EC225 Super Puma, is currently under development. It is possible the company may develop two versions of the helicopter, one conventional, the other using X3 technology.

“Helicopters can fly relatively fast and the noise footprint for people living around the airport is relatively similar to current traffic noise, so vertical lift can still play a role in commuting people, providing you can design an aircraft that delivers higher speed at reasonable cost,” said Bertling. Regional jets and turboprops will continue to have a place, however. Even though the X3 is faster than traditional helicopters, it is still not as fast as a turboprop.

“I believe we could well see the first serial products which could do the job with a smaller number of passengers—say 19 seats—at the beginning of the 2020s, and I could imagine seeing larger aircraft with 30-40 seats in the mid-'20s,” he said.

The current EC225/725 family continues to sell, but its design is based on the 1965-vintage Aerospatiale SA330 Puma. With the EC225 now losing market share to Sikorsky's newer S-92 and also the smaller AgustaWestland AW189, the time for a new product may be right
 

kwaigonegin

Colonel
Yep, the original Black Hawk, the S67, was quite the bird. Both attack and assault roles (it could carry fifteen troops) wrapped into one.


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Sort of an American Hind.


Random artist impression of future tiltrotors..this one from latest issue of PopSci

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TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Random artist impression of future tiltrotors..this one from latest issue of PopSci

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I saw that article. popsci has done better. The basis of that graphic was either a info graphic used by the US army to show a genaric JMR, based on a video game or the artist scailed down Osprey . Watching the program the only tiltrotor in the running is Bell's V280 Valor. The valor concept however uses engines that stay in place well the Rotors tilt. So those nacelles would be fixed well the blades move upto 90* from front to top. Their graphic is based on a AW609 or MV22 the problem is those nacelles get in the way of troops exiting the craft and gunners laying fire.
 
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TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Thales, Dassault Poised For Atlantique 2 Upgrade
By Amy Svitak [email protected]
Source: AWIN First

June 18, 2013
Credit: Tony Osborne/AWST
Thales and Dassault Aviation expect to begin work in the coming weeks on a long-planned upgrade to France’s Atlantique 2 (ATL 2) maritime patrol aircraft. The versatile patroller is supporting combat missions in Mali, providing intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance (ISR) and close-air support with Paveway II laser-guided bombs.

France modified a number of ATL 2 aircraft earlier this year to deliver GBU-12 bombs using target designators onboard French Harfang UAVs, on fighter aircraft and on the ground. In April, the French Defense Ministry listed ATL 2 modernization as a top priority in the nation’s new defense and security strategy, ahead of a forthcoming multiyear spending plan expected to be issued this summer.

“As we see in Mali, it is a useful to have some multipurpose assets,” Laurent Collet-Billon, head of French procurement agency DGA, says of the ATL 2. “It is like a Swiss [army] knife.”

The French navy maintains 22 ATL 2s, 18 of which are slated to get a complete overhaul, with new radar, antisubmarine systems, sonars, sonobuoys and optical systems. Plans to upgrade the ATL 2 fleet have been in the works for more than four years but have been stalled due in part to a shortage of funding. The goal of the upgrade, which Thales expects to be centered on its Amascos maritime mission system, is to extend service life past 2030.

Thales says Amascos is fully operational, having matured since the company agreed in 2004 to supply Turkey with new maritime surveillance and patrol aircraft under the Meltem II program. The program has suffered a series of delays, though under the agreement Thales has delivered three modified CASA CN-235 transport aircraft to the Turkish Coast Guard for maritime surveillance. Another six aircraft modified for maritime patrol missions are in final qualification for the Turkish navy, with deliveries to begin in the second half of this year through early 2014.

“We had delivered an initial version nearly one year ago, so we are now upgrading the final version,” says Pierre-Eric Pommellet, senior vice president of defense mission systems at Thales. “The aircraft will have complete capacity, including the combat systems and weapons systems, torpedoes, and a very good radar.”

Under a separate program called Meltem III, Thales is fitting Amascos for 10 ATR-72 aircraft to be delivered by prime contractor Alenia.

Pommellet says the Amascos suite offers a range of flexibility between simple, one-console systems and more complex ones.

“It’s a scalable solution for a growing market,” he says. “Countries need to patrol their seasides, protect against submarines and train their fleets to be more efficient against maritime patrol.”

PARIS: First AESA-equipped Rafale heads for squadron service
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By: CRAIG HOYLE PARIS 3 hours ago Source: Flight Global

With a first sensor already in the advanced stages of test and evaluation at its air force's Mont-de-Marsan air base, an operational French squadron will within the next few weeks receive its first Dassault Rafale equipped with a new active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar.

"The first aircraft equipped with the new antenna will be delivered to the forces in late June or early July," says Bruno Carrara, Rafale programme director for RBE2 radar supplier Thales. The sensor in question was delivered to Dassault's final assembly site in Merignac at the end of 2012, he adds.

Adding the new array to the Rafale forms part of a fourth domestic production order for the Rafale, which covers the delivery of a combined 60 aircraft for the French air force and navy. Production of the AESA antenna is now running at a rate of 11 per year, Carrara says.

Benefits of the new system include a reported doubling of detection range against airborne threats and an ability to produce ground imagery for support air-to-ground operations. It also forms part of proposals to export the Rafale to international customers.

"Mont-de-Marsan is in charge to define the tactics on how they will use this new piece of equipment," Carrara says. "The feedback we have from their tests shows that we have managed to meet all expectations."

Thales is also performing risk-reduction work for the French defence ministry on a new laser designation pod, which is planned to succeed the company's current Damocles system supplied for the nation's Rafales.
And more to come as the Paris air show show's off
 

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During the 50th Paris Air Show currently taking place at Le Bourget exhibition centre from 17 to 23 June 2013, Army Recognition editorial team learned that France has expressed interest in Lockheed Martin’s DAGR guided rocket solution. The interest comes in the form of a “request for cost and availability”.
[video=youtube;m1njyw429oU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1njyw429oU[/video]
 
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TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
DAGR would be a Awesome Addition to any modern Attack helo. The system is a guided Antitank Rocket that is compatible with Existing Hellfire Launchers Basicly you give up one missile on that rail for four guided Rockets This means you don't have to use a purpose built Rocket pod and Can allow even more of a flexible mix. The rocket is 70mm and offered both before and after launch lock.
 

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I had the chance to visit this last week

A3SM: A True Game Changer for Submarine Self Defence against Threats from the Sky
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As part of the Paris Air Show Navy Recognition was invited by DCNS to visit their factory located near Angoulême in southwestern France. The 260 year old site used to manufacture guns for the "French Royal Navy". It now specializes in the production of submarine equipment such as torpedo tubes and torpedo handling systems. It is also the place where the FREMM frigates' vertical launch systems are produced. The focus of the visit however was the A3SM, a new anti-air defence weapon system for submarine currently under development by DCNS and MBDA.
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I had the chance to visit this last week

A3SM: A True Game Changer for Submarine Self Defence against Threats from the Sky

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Very interesting. There has long been the thought that the Russians had such a system.

If they have to break the surface with the mast, to acquire and launch, they will be immediately found.

It would be better if they could develop a system to send a very small device to the surface to check the threat and acquire basic targeting, then have those AAW missile launched from below the surface and ejected like a sub launched Harpoon is.

Imagine a DE/AIP, creeping along 20+m below the surface, hearing aircraft above and releasing a device that communicates either wirelessly or acoustically with the sub (ie. no tether) and that basic info is uploaded into one or more AAW missiles. Then the sub raises its mast with the launcher to perhaps 10m depth and then launches the missiles from there. Now THAT would be a total game changer. The ASW helo or aircraft would never see a mast break the waves.
 
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