Fourth Taiwan Strait Crisis

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ougoah

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Either both US and China have full awareness (cahoots) on how this event transpires or they don't (conventional wisdom would suggest lol).

If the former, then there's nothing any pleb can do except sit back and watch the puppet masters do their thing. If the latter, both sides would have near perfect clarity of immediate military intentions. Okay there's a lot of masking and deception in terms of positioning and so on but it's generally visible in adversarial case (latter) to US what China may do militarily and to China what the US may do militarily.

We'd have to assume both sides are acting upon their best information and the best clarity they have on the consequences of planned actions. Therefore whatever is pursued can only be assumed (given the latter) to be the optimal course of action. China is signalling desire to respond even militarily. The US is not signalling the desire to get involved militarily. This would suggest the US (if Pelosi goes through with it) wants the PRC to perform forced reunification or at least respond and gauge how the PRC responds, using Taiwan as the bait.

Somehow this either earns them intel on Chinese military capabilities and how the PRC side is going to act. The US would choose to get involved or not after the fact.

By doing this they would no doubt be condemning China similar to how the information warfare has been waged on Russia. Only the desire here is to fully decouple and an attempt to reverse how dependent on China an increasing number of western nations have become. Obviously this would result in significant inflation in the west including the US but also economically damage China to an unknown extent. Is China ready for fortress China economy conditions and an occupation war in Taiwan?

The cost of this to the US is economic to an unknown extent but medium to long term significantly higher inflation would be a starter. If they do nothing, it would also signal some weakness to partners and allies. A cost the US may be happy to shoulder if they achieve their goals of decoupling with China and economically weakening it?
 

Biscuits

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If Xinhua itself is doing that, it means that they are confident that China's response will be well-received domestically.

Popcorn time
Yeah, Xinhua is taxpayer funded and essentially the Chinese version of BBC, if they write something outside of OP-ED it's 99% chance they know the topic wouldn't piss off their own taxpayers funding them.

You can almost certainly bet some territorial change on the ground will result from this.
 

Sardaukar20

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It is highly interesting to note the tone and tenor of people posting here change in last 3-4 days. After all the bravado about defeating the US, now down to discussing low military budget and manufacturing more nukes.

Some of you really thought China has the nerve to shoot down the plane carrying United States' #3 ?

We have a saying in India "Ab aaya oont pahaad ke neeche" - translated - now the camel has come below the mountain
No, you Jai Hinds can never understand. This is a grownup topic, its not for the immature, or the intellectually challenged.

Its not about the nerves. China has the capability to shoot down Pelosi's plane, destroy the US's 7th fleet, and take Taiwan all at the same time. But China has the wisdom to measure its use of force so as to control the conflict with the US. We are discussing the most optimal path to solving the Taiwan issue. It could be outright smashing US forces in the region, or doing a limited reunification war.

India has neither that kind of capability, nor any semblance of wisdom. India have been talking about taking Aksai Chin and Tibet from China for years. Your politicians, media, and military top brass continuously blabber in the media that India can wipe the floor clean with China anytime. Yet India is suffering set back after set back in its military and economic competition with China. Its all bluff and bluster after all. Lets not talk about the camel coming down the mountain. India is actually a clown pretending to be a lion.
 
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9dashline

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Either both US and China have full awareness (cahoots) on how this event transpires or they don't (conventional wisdom would suggest lol).

If the former, then there's nothing any pleb can do except sit back and watch the puppet masters do their thing. If the latter, both sides would have near perfect clarity of immediate military intentions. Okay there's a lot of masking and deception in terms of positioning and so on but it's generally visible in adversarial case (latter) to US what China may do militarily and to China what the US may do militarily.

We'd have to assume both sides are acting upon their best information and the best clarity they have on the consequences of planned actions. Therefore whatever is pursued can only be assumed (given the latter) to be the optimal course of action. China is signalling desire to respond even militarily. The US is not signalling the desire to get involved militarily. This would suggest the US (if Pelosi goes through with it) wants the PRC to perform forced reunification or at least respond and gauge how the PRC responds, using Taiwan as the bait.

Somehow this either earns them intel on Chinese military capabilities and how the PRC side is going to act. The US would choose to get involved or not after the fact.

By doing this they would no doubt be condemning China similar to how the information warfare has been waged on Russia. Only the desire here is to fully decouple and an attempt to reverse how dependent on China an increasing number of western nations have become. Obviously this would result in significant inflation in the west including the US but also economically damage China to an unknown extent. Is China ready for fortress China economy conditions and an occupation war in Taiwan?

The cost of this to the US is economic to an unknown extent but medium to long term significantly higher inflation would be a starter. If they do nothing, it would also signal some weakness to partners and allies. A cost the US may be happy to shoulder if they achieve their goals of decoupling with China and economically weakening it?
A full decouple was always going to happen.... in fact China planned to drop the US like a rock when the time was right, but as like in war you dont always get to choose perfect timing.....

At the very least I do think China is going straight to armed reunification, none of that flyover overland bs or even take some small islands or just take the strait etc etc....
 
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