Fourth Taiwan Strait Crisis

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AndrewS

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Here's the actual the news about Lithuania govt officials?

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It's the deputy transportation minister leading delegation from the electric buss industry. .... So pretty close to Pelosi's level I suppose.
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It does sound like a pointless visit and waste of time.

The electric bus, green energy and transportation industries are dominated by Chinese companies. That is from the standpoint of technology leadership, market leadership and/or production leadership.

I don't see what Taiwan can offer to Lithuania.

At the same time, what can Lithuania offer to Taiwan? Lithuania only has 3 million people, is located on the fringes of Europe and has a hostile relationship with Russia on its land border.
 
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It does sound like a pointless visit and waste of time.

The electric bus, green energy and transportation industries are dominated by Chinese companies. That is from the standpoint of technology leadership, market leadership and/or production leadership.

I don't see what Taiwan can offer to Lithuania.

At the same time, what can Lithuania offer to Taiwan? Lithuania only has 3 million people, is located on the fringes of Europe and has a hostile relationship with Russia on its land border.
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Its not about what they can actually get, its the act of doing so that counts.

What should be a response to Lithuania is basically abrogating the recognition of their borders in terms of refugees. If someone (a non-state entity) starts shipping en-mass refugees from the global south into Lithuania on the basis that someone else invited them over (someone non-Lithuanian, maybe one of the African countries) that would be equivalent, I think.

No, they would have no right to claim so. But that's never stopped the west, has it?
 
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not really. US doesn't have the entire IRBM doctrine or conventional sub doctrine, and both are critical to China.
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Let’s not compare US and China sub doctrine or capabilities. China is at least 1 generation behind in that area.

But if we assume Taiwan is not just a political issue for the US, but rather an opportunity to decelerate and maybe stop China’s rise. If we further assume that most of the world’s economic growth will come from Asia as Europe fades, and whoever controls Asia rules the new world, then chance of U.S. military and economic aggression against China is very high.

Much more “practice” is needed.
 
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I see the editorials and articles in the Western mainstream media as being pretty nuanced on the Fourth Taiwan Straits Crisis and explaining China's position.
That is partly because both China and Biden want to (rightly) blame Pelosi for the results.
It was blindingly obvious that Pelosi's visit would be counterproductive to her stated goal of Taiwanese freedom

So as long as China doesn't go too far, I actually chalk this up as a significant Public Relations win for China in the Western Media.

So I think the smart thing is to dial things back down, but keep this playbook in mind as a future response to any more salami-slicing

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But there is still no serious reporting on the implications of a China-US war in terms of :

1. a global economic depression (25-35% GDP decline for China and the USA)
2. how the US could conceivably lose in a short war
 
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AndrewS said:
@Patchwork_Chimera

I see the editorials and articles in the Western mainstream media as being pretty nuanced on the Fourth Taiwan Straits Crisis and explaining China's position.
That is partly because both China and Biden want to (rightly) blame Pelosi for the results.
It was blindingly obvious that Pelosi's visit would be counterproductive to her stated goal of Taiwanese freedom

So as long as China doesn't go too far, I actually chalk this up as a significant Public Relations win for China in the Western Media.

So I think the smart thing is to dial things back down, but keep this playbook in mind as a future response to any more salami-slicing

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But there is still no serious reporting on the implications of a China-US war in terms of :

1. a global economic depression (25-35% GDP decline for China and the USA)
2. how the US could conceivably lose in a short war
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Honestly, this is very surprising for me. It's usually far more common for main stream media to go with what gets views and clicks, and that's usually just clowning on China or decrying them as violent and irrational. Has there been backdoor communication between the state department and these news sources? Or are there simply department in MSM sources that have done deeper research into the topic and actually see how dangerous and precarious the situation is.
 
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Honestly, this is very surprising for me. It's usually far more common for main stream media to go with what gets views and clicks, and that's usually just clowning on China or decrying them as violent and irrational. Has there been backdoor communication between the state department and these news sources? Or are there simply department in MSM sources that have done deeper research into the topic and actually see how dangerous and precarious the situation is.
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I think the Western MSM were genuinely afraid that there would be a catastrophic war.

Hence the sober reporting in the articles describing China's position and red lines - so such a standoff hopefully doesn't happen again.

That is why I see it as a significant public relations win for China.

China is dictating the Western (and also Global) narrative.

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As Vice President Dick Cheney put it previously - the US imposes its reality on the world. China is doing the same now.
 
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I've said it before and I'll say it again: China deserves better enemies than this.
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I mean, the US's military itself remains a formidable adversary even in China's backyard. Pelosi is just...well, she's an American politician.

Honestly, she already scored a massive political win for herself and the democratic party over this at the start of the forth strait crisis, albeit at the massive cost to stability in Asia and relations with the PRC. I don't know why she just doesn't shut her stupid mouth and let this whole mess ride itself out.
 
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