Fourth Taiwan Strait Crisis

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FriedButter

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This also means Biden can stop her now. So singing the tune of separation of powers wouldn't cut it now. We will see how dependable Biden's promises are.

Pretty sure Biden always had the power to stop pelosi. He won’t stop her.

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The Constitution does not explicitly state that all ability to conduct foreign policy is vested in the President, but the Court concluded that such power is given implicitly since the executive of a sovereign nation is by its very nature empowered to conduct foreign affairs.

“It is important to bear in mind that we are here dealing not alone with an authority vested in the President by an exertion of legislative power, but with such an authority plus the very delicate, plenary and exclusive power of the President as the sole organ of the federal government in the field of international relations–a power which does not require as a basis for its exercise an act of Congress, but which, of course, like every other governmental power, must be exercised in subordination to the applicable provisions of the Constitution.”

By contrast, Congress lacks such an inherent role under the Constitution, which accords broad discretion to the President alone because of the vastness and the complexity of
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5unrise

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I am totally frustrated with this completely dangerous and pointless move by a senior representative of the governing party of the US. This is their way of flauting their credentials as upholders of so-called democracy, freedoms, blah blah to their electorate, and to gain foreign policy currency among their western allies. It is also their way of delegitimising the Chinese government. It also serves to please the reckless hardliners in the DPP. So I get there are benefits involved for the US side, but this is damn irresponsible to the people of Taiwan.
Do they not know that with each incremental salami slicing, they are plunging Taiwan closer to a full kinetic war? Do they not want its people to live in peace? Do the gains from virtue signaling and domestic support outweigh Taiwan's autonomy?

Will these people only realize their mistake once Taiwan becomes another Ukraine? Or, maybe that is their intention all along.
 

siegecrossbow

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Unless its a ploy and they are not really grounded... no need to ground for ejection seat issues....

The timing does feel a little convenient since the issue was supposedly found as early as April but they are only grounding them now.

That said, there is no permanent stationing of F-35A by USAF near China. I don’t think F-22, F15, or F-16 have been grounded and unless the Navy or Marines (highly dubious) are in charge of escort, it shouldn’t impact much.
 

Overbom

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I am totally frustrated with this completely dangerous and pointless move by a senior representative of the governing party of the US. This is their way of flauting their credentials as upholders of so-called democracy, freedoms, blah blah to their electorate, and to gain foreign policy currency among their western allies. It is also their way of delegitimising the Chinese government. It also serves to please the reckless hardliners in the DPP. So I get there are benefits involved for the US side, but this is damn irresponsible to the people of Taiwan.
Do they not know that with each incremental salami slicing, they are plunging Taiwan closer to a full kinetic war? Do they not want its people to live in peace? Do the gains from virtue signaling and domestic support outweigh Taiwan's autonomy?

Will these people only realize their mistake once Taiwan becomes a Ukraine situation? Or, maybe that is their intention all along.
You focus too much on moral arguments which obviously don't apply to geopolitics and to a declining empire.

IMO what's happening is quite normal from a historic point of view. A rising superpower (and in this case especially, a full spectrum peer competitor) will inevitably clash with the current superpower/hegemon.

If the US had anyone with a working brain in their top positions, it would had started this process before 2000. Its only their incompetency and stupidity that they should blame for giving China an extra 20 years of development.

Btw, even if Biden really doesn't (spoiler alert: he does) support Pelosi's trip, that she even decided to make this trip to Taiwan in the first place it means that she has a certain degree of support from the Deep-State/blob/establishment/or whatever else they are called nowadays.

So we can conclude that Pelosi's trip represents one or multiple establishment factions. However, this doesn't necessarily mean that she has the establishment's full support (from all the factions). For example, I would wager that the defence establishment doesn't support this trip.

Maybe something to think about:
If Pelosi can do this in the current political environment, what do you think will happen when the Republicans come in power in 2024? If you think that Biden is unreasonable now, then just wait to deal with whatever extremist is going to be the President in 2024
 

9dashline

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You focus too much on moral arguments which obviously don't apply to geopolitics and to a declining empire.

IMO what's happening is quite normal from a historic point of view. A rising superpower (and in this case especially, a full spectrum peer competitor) will inevitably clash with the current superpower/hegemon.

If the US had anyone with a working brain in their top positions, it would had started this process before 2000. Its only their incompetency and stupidity that they should blame for giving China an extra 20 years of development.

Btw, even if Biden really doesn't (spoiler alert: he does) support Pelosi's trip, that she even decided to make this trip to Taiwan in the first place it means that she has a certain degree of support from the Deep-State/blob/establishment/or whatever else they are called nowadays.

So we can conclude that Pelosi's trip represents one or multiple establishment factions. However, this doesn't necessarily mean that she has the establishment's full support (from all the factions). For example, I would wager that the defence establishment doesn't support this trip.

Maybe something to think about:
If Pelosi can do this in the current political environment, what do you think will happen when the Republicans come in power in 2024? If you think that Biden is unreasonable now, then just wait to deal with whatever extremist is going to be the President in 2024
It was racism and contempt for Chinese that gave the US the false assurance that it could dick around in the middle east for 20 years and then turn focus on China...

Just like its hubris that makes America feel that it can still take the fight to China's doorstep like 30 years ago and still do so with impunity and without suffering catastrophic consequences back in the homeland... America has overplayed its hand and for an already declining empire thats often fatal
 

FriedButter

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It was racism and contempt for Chinese that gave the US the false assurance that it could dick around in the middle east for 20 years and then turn focus on China...

Eh. To be fair. They never really had the chance to shift to China and even when they wanted to *cough obama* they had bigger distractions along the way lmao.

2001 = 9/11
2007-2009 = Great Depression
2014 = EuroMaiden / Crimea
2015 = Russia intervenes in Syria
2016 = Trump
2020 = Covid
2022 = Ukraine Again.
 
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