Food & Resource Security

Ringsword

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I was going to recommend sauces, too. But, in the apocalypse, there might not be refrigeration!
I have most of this stuff-salt/pepper/onion-garlic powder and chili powder,cayenne etc-I've always made it a habit not to throw away the high grade food containers that can hold a great deal more and have lids that can open to sprinkle or pour-try finding this stuff nowadays without paying a pemium.Also if you know how to cook-sauces can readily be made and even roadkill quality neighbourhood meat can safely even tastily be cooked(apocalypse no?)
 

FairAndUnbiased

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A little old but I found this on bioengineered cow free dairy:

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Apparently it is ridiculously more efficient than cow dairy:

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Microbial fermentation for protein synthesis is impressively more efficient than traditional farming. Changing Bio estimates that its process reduces land use by 99%, greenhouse gas emissions by 94%, and uses 99% less water than conventional dairy proteins.
It's been in research in China for a while:

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james smith esq

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Living paycheck to paycheck is very stressful-no wonder they have to dope themselves up with alcohol or drugs-me? I like a good night's sleep and substantial savings in bank.
I wouldn’t be sleeping to well with substantial savings in any U. S. Bank, tho’!
 

tankphobia

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A little old but I found this on bioengineered cow free dairy:

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Apparently it is ridiculously more efficient than cow dairy:

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It's been in research in China for a while:

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I think like all alternative foods, the most difficult part is getting the taste right. It will be difficult to replicate complex flavours of normally produced foods through singular/low-complexity bio-reactor created imitation. You can see the difficulties most apparently in meat where the most complicated thing to market made so far are hamburgers and hotdogs, highly processed food that can mask the taste through seasoning.
 

tacoburger

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I think like all alternative foods, the most difficult part is getting the taste right. It will be difficult to replicate complex flavours of normally produced foods through singular/low-complexity bio-reactor created imitation. You can see the difficulties most apparently in meat where the most complicated thing to market made so far are hamburgers and hotdogs, highly processed food that can mask the taste through seasoning.
Even if they never get the taste right, at the very least, they can be used for feedstock for fish. Current aquaculture practices involve catching wild fish to feed farmed carnivorous fish species, it's very wasteful.

That or it can be used for products whose taste don't really matter, like protein powder, or incorporated into flour or other such raw cooking materials.
 

tankphobia

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Even if they never get the taste right, at the very least, they can be used for feedstock for fish. Current aquaculture practices involve catching wild fish to feed farmed carnivorous fish species, it's very wasteful.

That or it can be used for products whose taste don't really matter, like protein powder, or incorporated into flour or other such raw cooking materials.
My understanding is that in the case of biomass fermentation which is being used here, the feedstock still have to come from some organic source (sugars/lipids/ethanol) and I'm not sure that will be much cheaper than fishmeal.

Imo if all you're looking for is protein grinding up bugs seem to be the absolute cheapest and quickest way. You also can market it straight as an alternative rather than a replacement, which avoids a whole crowd of traditionalists.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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My understanding is that in the case of biomass fermentation which is being used here, the feedstock still have to come from some organic source (sugars/lipids/ethanol) and I'm not sure that will be much cheaper than fishmeal.

Imo if all you're looking for is protein grinding up bugs seem to be the absolute cheapest and quickest way. You also can market it straight as an alternative rather than a replacement, which avoids a whole crowd of traditionalists.
Fishmeal is horrible for the environment and has negative diplomatic consequences. Chinese fish farming is mostly tilapia which are herbivores and scavengers that can even eat literal shit.

I think like all alternative foods, the most difficult part is getting the taste right. It will be difficult to replicate complex flavours of normally produced foods through singular/low-complexity bio-reactor created imitation. You can see the difficulties most apparently in meat where the most complicated thing to market made so far are hamburgers and hotdogs, highly processed food that can mask the taste through seasoning.
I actually like even traditional soy chicken 素鸡 more than real meat. China has tons of traditional plant based proteins. The modern stuff is good for burgers and chicken too.

But this isn't plant based milk which Chinese already drink way more than animal milk. it is bioengineered microbial milk which can have specifically tuned nutrients - AKA, it has the potential to be superior to animal milk in every way.
 
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