FFG 054/054A Thread

[szbd]

Maybe the PLAＮ wants to put the first 054A into sea trial first to identify any defect so that they can correct it on 2nd 054A. That is why 1st 054A progress is so fast while 2nd 054A is so slow... But PLAN at the same time don want progression of production of 054A to be so slow and allow 2nd 054A to be constructed. They may be confident of the structure and design of 054A but still not sure of the sensor and sytem onboard it! Therefore the sucess of 1st 054A is very critical.....

One thing is, if a ship is constructed in Huangpu shipyard, that means the ship is very mature already. And I don't think the 2nd is waiting for the 1st to finish testing, because if so the second won't be launched. Most of the systems were tested on 891 experimental ship, just that on 891 the hot VLS doesn't have that many units but I don't think that's a problem.

 

[joshuatree]

Slightly off topic but the question stems from the production of the 054As. Which shipyard is considered more advanced or mature? Huangpu or Hudong?

 

[Kilo636]

One thing is, if a ship is constructed in Huangpu shipyard, that means the ship is very mature already. And I don't think the 2nd is waiting for the 1st to finish testing, because if so the second won't be launched. Most of the systems were tested on 891 experimental ship, just that on 891 the hot VLS doesn't have that many units but I don't think that's a problem.

A sub(parts by parts) system testing on 891 can never be compare to a full intergrated and real sea splash testing of a fully complete 054A together with the propulsion system...

Take note... 2nd 054 has not install with many system yet. More or less looks like a skeleton ship... I believe PLAN might be very caution on 054A construction.

 

[adeptitus]

Third 054A is now getting blocked by this, how convenient. Probably won't get a new picture of this for the next 2 months now.
[qimg]http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/7852/hpblock054asp4.jpg[/qimg]
[qimg]http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/9646/hpblock054a2dj7.jpg[/qimg]

@_@ What in the wrold is that?? A floating restaurant barge??

 

[joshuatree]

@_@ What in the wrold is that?? A floating restaurant barge??

It reminds me of the floating Jumbo Restaurant in Hong Kong. There used to be a smaller one in Hawaii many years ago too.

 

[guitarjeff]

Take note... 2nd 054 has not install with many system yet. More or less looks like a skeleton ship... I believe PLAN might be very caution on 054A construction.

How about a simpler explanation: Hudong is running out of manpower. The LPD is a large ship. Outfitting both the LPD and the first 054A at the same time leaves fewer available hands to work on the second hull. Shipbuilding is not crop harvesting. One cannot hire a bunch of temps off of the street and put welding torches in their hands and expect them to do the work.

 

[tphuang]

How about a simpler explanation: Hudong is running out of manpower. The LPD is a large ship. Outfitting both the LPD and the first 054A at the same time leaves fewer available hands to work on the second hull. Shipbuilding is not crop harvesting. One cannot hire a bunch of temps off of the street and put welding torches in their hands and expect them to do the work.

well I'm questioning this because they got to this stage in early February from what I can see, and they haven't moved since. The building speed up to that point was like lightning.

Take note... 2nd 054 has not install with many system yet. More or less looks like a skeleton ship... I believe PLAN might be very caution on 054A construction.

your argument doesn't work at all, they haven't stopped and slowed down building it in Huangpu.

Slightly off topic but the question stems from the production of the 054As. Which shipyard is considered more advanced or mature? Huangpu or Hudong?

In terms of technology level, I would always pick a shipyard from Shanghai (HD) ahead of other parts of China. HP is only capable of building type 22s and 054As. HD can also build experiment ships, LPDs, LSTs, MCMs and such.

 

[szbd]

The main shipyards for large surface warship building were Jiangnan, Dalian, Hudong, Zhonghua and Huangpu being the kid brother. Qiuxin and Guangzhou don't constantly produce large warships. Huangpu was a repair yard in 1950s. Then their production lines for warship were setup by people from Jiangnan and Dalian. They only assemble the parts of small boats produced by Dalian and Shanghai until 1970s. Hudong was founded by British in 1928. Now they are merged with Zhonghua, called Hudong Zhonghua shipyard. Currently, this is the largest shipyard in China. Hudong and Zhonghua achieved several important No1s in Chinese ship building history, while Huangpu had none. Hudong is the No.1 in frigate production, it produced most of the jianghu and jiangwei (or all jiangwei).

well I'm questioning this because they got to this stage in early February from what I can see, and they haven't moved since. The building speed up to that point was like lightning.


your argument doesn't work at all, they haven't stopped and slowed down building it in Huangpu.


In terms of technology level, I would always pick a shipyard from Shanghai (HD) ahead of other parts of China. HP is only capable of building type 22s and 054As. HD can also build experiment ships, LPDs, LSTs, MCMs and such.

I think 022 are built in Guangzhou shipyard?

 

[challenge]

there's report few week ago, that next batch of 054 will carry APAR type radar,but it is not known if the radar will PESA or AESA?

 

[adeptitus]

there's report few week ago, that next batch of 054 will carry APAR type radar,but it is not known if the radar will PESA or AESA?

Could you provide the source of this report? I haven't seen/heard of it, but it seems unlikely to me. If the 054A has entered batch production with Russian sensors, I don't think they're going to scrap the design and put all new APAR radar suite on it this soon.