FFG 054/054A Thread

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tphuang

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Now this what we all been waiting for....:china: :china: :nana:

There's clearly 16 VLS silos. Thats a fact. It reminds somewhat similar to the Rif launchers in Kirov class cruisers, but the hathces are too close together that there could be a rotary launcher bellow them. So there is 90% 16 missiles onboard. What are those missiles? Well only thing is 100 % certain and that is that they are SAMs. No ship of this class (not even chinese ships any longer) goes to sea without SAM cover.

Then what SAM system is onboard? My quess is HHQ-16 which is chinese derivation (wheter just chinese VLS for Shtill or completely chinese missile, that I don't know) from the SA-N-12 missile. All the factors speak behalf of it. The missile guidance radar set is derivation of the Fregat/Orekh suite. Basicly if you have a football field, you most likely are going to play football in it, not basket ball...



???? It's not angled, at least not that much that it would hide another set of 2x8 VLS...



If there is only 16 missilesilos, then there will only be SAMs onboard those VLS. 16 is about the minium of SAMs that is fitted in modern warships today and any number less than that (and itself seems too low to me) is a serious default.



It's the Type 347G, chinese copy of the Italian DARDO CIWS system. It's normally associated to the Type 76A and it's also intergrated to the tpye 730 CIWS system. Apparently its been set to controll the 76 mm maingun. In the 054 there where the type 344 gun control...
man, you really think they can only fit 1 missile that's probably no more than 200 kg in that one missile silo? In that case, they are seriously wasting 90% of space.

16 is really really low.
I doubt China has the technology to hold mutliple missiles into 1 VLS. China has barely any VLS. While China has foldable wings, I doubt foldable wings would well w/ SAMs.
so you think they would use HH-9 size silo to fit a missile that's probably 1/6 of its weight? There is no evidence that HH-16 has wings, the PL-12 is only internet speculations.
 

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Well Pics speaks more....
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(from CDF)
It could be 32 after all, I kinda forgot how beamy the ship actually is...
Thougth (even if the russian system also would had have 32 missiles) it sounds awfully lot for the missile of its size. (i have seen one in live and those are really big!!)

....well atleast we now know why such a small gun, noway would have 100mm fit to that
 
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you know, does anyone still have that picture of training ship 970 with both the HH-9 VLS complex and the HH-16 VLS complex? That would clear this up quite a bit.
 

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The FREMM will be equipped with:

an OTO MELARA 76 gun... 19 torpedoes MU-90... 8 Exocet AShW missiles and 2 complex of 16 VLS missile launchers...

The FREMM's silos will be fitted with 16 MBDA Aster-15... and
16 Scalp-eg LACMs...

The FREMM is based on Lafayette FFG... The 054 resembles the Lafayette...

What do you think?:roll:
 

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FREMM is considerably larger design (not to mention light years more mature) than 054A.
 

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[qimg]http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/6636/vls111706bfb3.jpg[/qimg]
[qimg]http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/420/97112906hm3.jpg[/qimg]
[qimg]http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/2295/vls111706bt3.jpg[/qimg]
891?
[qimg]http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/2616/891121906alw7.jpg[/qimg]

man, that didn't seem to address anything. I found this one kind of interesting at least.
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Well, I don't think this VLS is as big as that of the HH-9. There is no evidence that HHQ-16 have wings, but I am going to put up a conservative stance on this. China doesn't have a working TVC yet, so wings have to be there.

It won't be too long before the Type 54A is up, so if HHQ-16 is something very new, then it should pop up just about now, just like how the face of YJ-62 popped up around the commisioning of 52Cs..... We'll see then.
 

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Well, I don't think this VLS is as big as that of the HH-9. There is no evidence that HHQ-16 have wings, but I am going to put up a conservative stance on this. China doesn't have a working TVC yet, so wings have to be there.

It won't be too long before the Type 54A is up, so if HHQ-16 is something very new, then it should pop up just about now, just like how the face of YJ-62 popped up around the commisioning of 52Cs..... We'll see then.
You know, you can just check the above pictures on 970 test ship and you would've noticed that HHQ-16 has been testing on that complex on 970 since 2004.
 

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Yea, except we haven't seen the missile..... There is just a lack of evidence.....
 
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