Fc-20 = J-10?

tphuang,

Will the upgraded J-10 have an extensively changed airframe compared to the current? Could it house a stronger engine; be capable of super-cruise; physically lighter than the J-10A/B; reduced RCS?

Diving Falcon said:

tphuang,

Will the upgraded J-10 have an extensively changed airframe compared to the current? Could it house a stronger engine; be capable of super-cruise; physically lighter than the J-10A/B; reduced RCS?

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NO.

airframe will not change more.
still use russia engine ,but yes stronger, al31f-99m?

all the upgrades lead J-10's ability to reach Rafale's level.


there will be NO twin-engine J10 exists, may be there are a new project in 611 which have two engine, but it's not just a upgraded J10.

all those rumors are from those men who want to attract eye-balls in the forum.

Diving Falcon said:

I can see a bit of a pattern with the "Super-series" and PAF designations.

Super-7 + 10 = 17 >> Joint Fighter-17/JF-17
Super-10 + 10 = 20 >> Fighter China-20/FC-20 - assuming FC-20 is Super-10.

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That is a good pattern you found, but actually the number 17 in JF-17 is used by PAF to signify it as the next fighter after F-16. It is not derived from 7+10. The J-10 did not start as the Super-10 at all, unlike JF-17 which started as the Super-7.

Baldo said:

there will be NO twin-engine J10 exists, may be there are a new project in 611 which have two engine, but it's not just a upgraded J10.

all those rumors are from those men who want to attract eye-balls in the forum.

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Then that project of 611 is likely to be the J-XX, which shall use J-10 as a base. In India too, the planned MCA is also going to be an iterative next step of the LCA. As far as rumours are concerned, most of them have appeared on Pakistani forums, like twin-engined J-10 with TVC and stealth. In that case, it would surely be the fifth generation combat aircraft J-XX.

baldo said:

NO.

airframe will not change more.
still use russia engine ,but yes stronger, al31f-99m?

all the upgrades lead J-10's ability to reach Rafale's level.


there will be NO twin-engine J10 exists, may be there are a new project in 611 which have two engine, but it's not just a upgraded J10.

all those rumors are from those men who want to attract eye-balls in the forum.

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airframe will have changes, otherwise it has no need to have prototypes and do test flights again. Just like every variant of J-7 had changes, so will new variants of J-10. As for engine, it will continue to adopt the two engines approach of WS-10A and AL-31-FM. Actually, it was originally assumed that WS-10 series will be used exclusively, but the recent deal with Salyut kind of changed that. Still, the next major variant of WS-10 isn't that far away, it's just a matter of time.

As for twin-engine J-10, it does exist. Although, if you don't want to call it J-10 and call it something else, that's your choice.

Indianfighter said:

That is a good pattern you found, but actually the number 17 in JF-17 is used by PAF to signify it as the next fighter after F-16. It is not derived from 7+10. The J-10 did not start as the Super-10 at all, unlike JF-17 which started as the Super-7.

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Yea, but the Super-7 was originally a major development of the F-7...just how Super-10 is a major development of the J-10. If the PAF was to procure a custom variant of the J-10 with no airframe changes, then it'll likely designate them as F-10A/B/P/Y/Z.

Indianfighter said:

FC-20 is the J-10 according to Pakistani Air Chief Marshall.

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Never has anyone said "FC-20 is J-10" directly ... or may be I missed out. You have link?

But the main issue is how is the nomenclature decided. Unlike JF-17, Pakistan has not contributed to the J-10, but yet insists on its own nomenclature for it.

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Where did you come up with that one? Pakistan never asked for transfer of technology of J-10/FC-20. Any official link?

Also, even if China does agree on the name 'FC-20', it should be FC-2 instead of FC-20, because it is a continuation or sequel to the FC-1 (JF-17 in Pak). What is the '20' in FC-20 stand for ?

Anyway from all sources, FC-20 is a Pakistani name and not Chinese. In China it is called as J-10. Even the FC-1 is likely to be designated as J-9.

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There is no way knowing where the name came from (unless another country - other than Pakistan - buys it). Even if Pakistan named it, it was surely done with CAC/China's approval. Above all it is very much possible that CAC presented/promoted the aircraft as "FC-20".

The number "20" was probably chosen over the number "18" of F-18, as JF-17's "17" was chosen over "16" of F-16. But there is no way of knowing it.

SABRE said:

Never has anyone said "FC-20 is J-10" directly ... or may be I missed out. You have link?

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ali.auf has posted an interview of PAF ACM Tanvir Mahmood on this thread. He clearly implies FC-20 as the J-10.

SABRE said:

Where did you come up with that one? Pakistan never asked for transfer of technology of J-10/FC-20. Any official link?

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No Chinese source calls the J-10 as 'FC-20'. Only Pakistan Air Force does. The local Chinese name for it is Jian-10 and F-10 is for the export version.

Now by that logic, FC-1 should actually have been F-9, because the local version is likely to be Jian-9. However, keeping the pattern FC-X, then J-10's export name should have been FC-2. If it is indeed Fighter China-20, then what about FC-2, FC-3, FC-4, FC-5..............FC-19 ?

SABRE said:

The number "20" was probably chosen over the number "18" of F-18, as JF-17's "17" was chosen over "16" of F-16. But there is no way of knowing it.

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In that case, it should have been 19. Anyway, that is not at all the case, because PAF does not operate F-18.

ali.uaf said:

150 JF-17 Thunders and 36 F-10A aircraft will also be joining PAF, and more F-10s can be expected. Most probably we will also purchase FC-20 fighter aircraft from China

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Who in the right mind can equate j-10 to FC-20, When you read the interview. Still we have "what we call" (better not name) people who think otherwise.

FC-20 may turn out to be J-11B, or rumoured J-XX.

Indianfighter said:

ali.auf has posted an interview of PAF ACM Tanvir Mahmood on this thread. He clearly implies FC-20 as the J-10.

No Chinese source calls the J-10 as 'FC-20'. Only Pakistan Air Force does. The local Chinese name for it is Jian-10 and F-10 is for the export version.

Now by that logic, FC-1 should actually have been F-9, because the local version is likely to be Jian-9. However, keeping the pattern FC-X, then J-10's export name should have been FC-2. If it is indeed Fighter China-20, then what about FC-2, FC-3, FC-4, FC-5..............FC-19 ?

In that case, it should have been 19. Anyway, that is not at all the case, because PAF does not operate F-18.

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No if you read the interview again J-10 is named as F-10 for PAF and Chief further said that PAF may also induct FC-20 in near future so that gives you the hint that FC-20 might be the upgraded version of J-10 or might even be a new plan altogether we just have to wait and see.

Reason is the we in this forum don’t know much about it , perhaps there was some discussion for future variant with Chief as to convince them that now you can have J-10 to clear the path for XXX . And what exactly is that we don’t know yet. We are lacking here the credible source to verify it so let’s just stay on what Chief said that J-10 is F-10 and what is FC-20 lets wait and see........

Cheers

Indianfighter said:

ali.auf has posted an interview of PAF ACM Tanvir Mahmood on this thread. He clearly implies FC-20 as the J-10.

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I would have to see that interview. AFAIK no has directly implied J-10 is FC-20 although I my self am betting it is.

ali.auf can you provide me the link?

No Chinese source calls the J-10 as 'FC-20'. Only Pakistan Air Force does. The local Chinese name for it is Jian-10 and F-10 is for the export version.

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Just because PAF calls it FC-20 does not mean PAF named it. Chinese naming export version F-10 sounds inferior to countries (right now just a single country) interested in purchase.

Now by that logic, FC-1 should actually have been F-9, because the local version is likely to be Jian-9. However, keeping the pattern FC-X, then J-10's export name should have been FC-2. If it is indeed Fighter China-20, then what about FC-2, FC-3, FC-4, FC-5..............FC-19 ?

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Logic is of no use. Countries can name/call their aircrafts what ever they want. Look at Russians; they have developed MiG-35 with what ever happened to MiG-34 & the MiG-33 never materialized.

In that case, it should have been 19. Anyway, that is not at all the case, because PAF does not operate F-18.

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I brought the F-18 thing up cause that what I believe. PAF (or the Chinese) may very well have another reason to call it FC-20. What made me say that was F-18's offer to India.