FC-1 or J-10 vs questions

Mr. non-pilot, it may seem distant, but Chile successfully evaluated the Dhruv helicopters last year. Many South American nations have also expressed interest in the Dhruv helicopter which has a military as well as civilian version.

The Dhruv has Israeli avionics and Indian airframe. Israeli Aircraft Industries (IAI) has the global marketing rights of the Dhruv. Thus, since Peru is assisted by Israel in your book, it may also seek to purchase Dhruv helicopters from India
(India also considers China as a military threat).

The specifications as well as the weaponry that can be carried on the Dhruv may be found from the following URL:


Thank you.

nonpilot said:

In my book Venezuela become China's first export customer for there improved J-11s too. Any thoughts or ideas are welcome.

Thanks for the help and advise, nonpilot

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J-11 being exported . Is China allowed to export J-11? I thought it was built under licence from russia, when did they started selling them.

Which book are you refering here or I missed something.

I do not wish to bash, but indianfighter, wernt all Dhruv's grounded laste december after a tail-rotor default? has this been fixed, so an export can go through?

Nonpilot since your story is set in year 2010 and that is quite near future you could replace Peruvian F-16 whit there’s modernized MiG-29’s. I think that Russia wouldn’t have any problems whit selling weapons and spare parts to both sides.

Now since Peruvian MiG-29 carry AA-12 that would quite balance BWR capabilities on both sides and modernized MiG-29 is more suited for air superiority task. You can still use F-16A in ground attack role.

Now only question is what weapons would F-16 use for ground attack? Guided or dumb munitions? Since in your story US supplied Peru whit equipment they could use JDAM or older munitions like Maverick.

I ask because weapons package would determine F-16 flight envelope and AA armament. If they would use unguided weapons they would probably fly lower then 6,000 feet, probably at weary low altitude and at high speed.
Basically there are many factors that should be taken in too consideration here…

Also you have quite good article on ACIG about previous Peru/Ecuador wars which could give you some insight in tactics both air forces used during those wars…


Ps. Siddharth he is writing book about fictional Peru/Ecuador war. J-11 weren’t offered for export.

Druv is a lovely helicopter and I had the honour speaking to the engineers and pilots at Le Bourget. The cockpit is digital and indeed Israeli. For the rest (design, engines) :

Here some old report:

"intensify co-operation between the two companies in the helicopter sector, which dates back to the early 1970s, when HAL license-built the Alouette III (as the Cheetah) and Lama (Chetak). More recently Eurocopter has assisted in development of India's Druv ALH."

"Another French Company, Turbomeca, has provided engines for the Cheetah, Lancer and Advanced Light Helicopters. Businessline. Chennai: Nov 27, 2002. pg. 1 ‘French aerospace co. eyes India for manufacturing base’. Snecma group company, Turbomeca, has a contract to supply over 200 of the powerful engines for HAL's advanced light helicopter (ALH) project"

The design looks a lot like : Eurocopter's EC135.



So it should be a decent chopper. Unfortunaely it did had problems with the tail rotor but there are reposts that it was improved. Israel (earning cash by selling the Druv avionics) agreed to take part in the marketing of the Druv. Sofar it is not exported.

MIGleader said:

I do not wish to bash, but indianfighter, wernt all Dhruv's grounded laste december after a tail-rotor default? has this been fixed, so an export can go through?

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The above statement is accurate but the technical problems were solved and Israel was formally given the contract for global marketing rights immediately after that.


HAL to tie up with Israeli firm to market Dhruv copters

BY RAMNATH SHENOY BANGALORE, APR 4 (PTI)

City-based Hindustan Aeronautics Limited will tie up with an Israeli firm to market the Dhruv Advance Light Helicopters (ALH) globally.

The tie-up would be a joint venture company that HAL would float with Israel Aircraft Industries, to market the Dhruv ALHs in international market, HAL Chairman Ashok K Baweja said today.

"We are forming a joint venture company. The Board has cleared it, and the process is on. It will be a 50:50 venture. Both of us are investing USD two million each", Baweja told PTI here.

A few countries in South America, mid-Europe and the Malaysian-Indonesian region were keen to buy Dhruv, he added.

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They denied that ALHs had been grounded following the tail rotor blade failure incident last November.

"It was not a design issue. The fleet is not grounded. There are no restraints. We are up and running", Baweja said.

He said within the next two-three months, the entire ALH fleet would be back in action with new tail rotor blades.

Officials said the ALHs would soon have a tail rotor vibration warning system to caution the pilots well in advance in case of any faults in the tail rotor system.

The entire aticle may be referenced from the following URL:


MBB (now Eurocopter) gave some consultancy 2 decades ago. The TM333 2B2.engine (Shakti in India) is an improved version of the old Turbomeca engine. It was improved under a joint-venture between India and France.

I don't see why threads are moving towards Druv while the topic is all about Fc1 and J10... Let us close that topic with saying that Druv had consultancy from Germany, the engines are foreign and avionics are Israeli. Basicly it is a foreign chopper which needs to mature cause India did alter parts of it. Let us return to the topics please...

Since the topic is FC-1 or J-10 vs ?, thus I suggested the usage of Dhruv by Peru in the fictional story being written by Mr. non-pilot. As suggested by me earlier, since Peru purchases Israeli aircraft, it may also purchase the Dhruv that is marketed by Israel and has Israeli avionics. It has an additional global sidetaking or allying of nations, as India considers China as a military threat and vice-versa. Since Ecuador/Venezuela purchase arms from China, Peru can do so from India.

If the story is set in the year 2010, may I also suggest the use of the Indian LCA, which shall have obtained FoC by that period and ready for export as the Dhruv is today.

Thus, the "question" in the title "FC1 or J-10 vs question" may be substituted with the Dhruv helicopter or the LCA

Druv had consultancy from Germany, the engines are foreign and avionics are Israeli. Basicly it is a foreign chopper which needs to mature cause India did alter parts of it. Let us return to the topics please...

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Well Dhruv is an Indian chopper that has a version with entirely Indian avionics also, and inputs from Germany on rotor and nose design. The inputs to the engine is similar to the ws-13, which is an enhancement of the RD-93.

Dude that poor guy not for once mentioned Dharuv or LCA. Why are you hell bent on bringing these two into equation when the poster is just asking for a scenario that involves F-16s,Kfirs on one side and J-10,FC-1 on the other side?? Lets just concentrate on that. Please go to the very first post and see what Nonpilot asked for (and he ceratinly didnt ask for LCA,Dharuv or anyother aircraft).