Falklands War, 1982, Thread

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Obi Wan Russell

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25 de Mayo could host Super-Etendard only after war after modifications we are in agreement o_O
Yes but the photos I posted were taken in 1981, before the war when trials first took place. These trials highlighted the limitations of the catapult due to it's age and condition, hence the need for replacement parts. Her catapult was a 145ft BS4A, which could launch a fully laden Buccaneer when in proper working order. It was however 24 years old by 1982 and in dire need of deep maintenance, for which the Argentine Navy had budgeted and ordered the necessary parts from the original manufacturer... McTaggart Scott in the UK! The parts were finished but had not left the UK by April 82.

Had the original invasion plan gone ahead to the timetable set out (late 1982), the parts would have been delivered, installed, the sqn would have received it's full complement of aircraft (14) and Missiles (14), and both ship and aircraft would have had a few months to work up to readiness. Invading early in April instead of December screwed the plan up big time, but the Argentines didn't believe the British would fight, so it was an acceptable risk... at the time!1254a88e65a9a0f5f08edc43f262662c.jpg 2509581yylci122564lodz6.jpg c736eda2b5d2270c3973080879e77d77.jpg supe2.jpg
 

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Daddy :) small elevators, low speed... they would have been very lucky... remains not occured but attack ready the 2 may with 6 A-4.
Yes but the photos I posted were taken in 1981, before the war when trials first took place. These trials highlighted the limitations of the catapult due to it's age and condition, hence the need for replacement parts. Her catapult was a 145ft BS4A, which could launch a fully laden Buccaneer when in proper working order. It was however 24 years old by 1982 and in dire need of deep maintenance, for which the Argentine Navy had budgeted and ordered the necessary parts from the original manufacturer... McTaggart Scott in the UK! The parts were finished but had not left the UK by April 82.
Ofc not delivered :D

Had the original invasion plan gone ahead to the timetable set out (late 1982), the parts would have been delivered, installed, the sqn would have received it's full complement of aircraft (14) and Missiles (14), and both ship and aircraft would have had a few months to work up to readiness. Invading early in April instead of December screwed the plan up big time, but the Argentines didn't believe the British would fight, so it was an acceptable risk... at the time!
Yes interesting ! and more favorable weather december almost summer there but far to South remains enough cold i think maybe sea more calm.
 

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For radar range, file for Cyrano II
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i think for big target 5/10 m2 RCS size almost bomber and for Sea harriers very difficult to find i see it
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18 mn : 33 km enough close of Cyrano II but Blue Fox more modern electronic and for me range vs fighters about 5 m2

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VTOL aircrafts especialy Harriers/Sea Harriers
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And very good, day by day A2A combats !
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Fighters-bombers number

UK simple : 38 whose 16 in Rfts arrive 18/05 and after
28 Sea Harrier whose 8 in Rfts
10 Harrier Gr3 all in Rfts

Argentina

AF :
39 Dagger
17 Mirage IIIEA
8 Canberra
50 A-4B/C
60 Pucaras
164

Rft 10 Peruvians Mirage V

Navy
8 A-4Q
5 Super Etendard
13

Total 177
 

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On the subject of small lifts... back in 2008 I went aboard Lusty in Portsmouth, at the time they had on board a full size mock up of the F-35B. I asked some of the officers about this, specifically about the compatibility of ship and aircraft, as so many 'experts' said the plane is too big and heavy for the Invincibles (or any comparable CVS for that matter). Well apparently handling trials with the mock up had shown it does fit on the lifts, albeit with barely inches to spare. In rough weather the aircraft would have been positioned diagonally as the Etendards and Sea Kings were on the 25 de Mayo. The lifts on the Invincibles have a capacity of 18 tonnes, and the F-35B empty weighs about 13 tonnes, so they could have been deployed aboard the smaller carriers if necessary...JSF-on-Illustrious.jpg jsf-barrier.jpg Meetyournavy28thjuly2008 045.jpg
 

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On the subject of small lifts... back in 2008 I went aboard Lusty in Portsmouth, at the time they had on board a full size mock up of the F-35B. I asked some of the officers about this, specifically about the compatibility of ship and aircraft, as so many 'experts' said the plane is too big and heavy for the Invincibles (or any comparable CVS for that matter). Well apparently handling trials with the mock up had shown it does fit on the lifts, albeit with barely inches to spare. In rough weather the aircraft would have been positioned diagonally as the Etendards and Sea Kings were on the 25 de Mayo. The lifts on the Invincibles have a capacity of 18 tonnes, and the F-35B empty weighs about 13 tonnes, so they could have been deployed aboard the smaller carriers if necessary...View attachment 35726 View attachment 35727 View attachment 35728
Nice but in plastic, metal ? enough unusual.
 

Obi Wan Russell

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Humm.:rolleyes:. Nimitz class have no such problems.. and neither will HMS Queen Elizabeth when she is in commissioned service!:D
Big Liz's Lifts can handle two F-35Bs at once!
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I think the race is now on between Big Liz and Gerry Ford as to which one is accepted into service first! Liz puts to sea for trials in March and the biggest ever Ford is supposed to get to sea in April. Game On! ;)
 
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