F-35 Joint Strike Fighter News, Videos and pics Thread

Jeff Head · Aug 8, 2013

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thunderchief said:
Well , according to the article , required modifications are neither trivial nor cheap . In fact , looks like just one ship of Wasp-class was modified so far and some may not be modified at all :

And in the mean time, they continue to produce F-35s of all varities and turn them over to active squadrons in the services, including the US Marines.

Initial Operational capability for the F-35B is still on track for 2017. At that point they will begin placing them in regular service onboard the vessels. Short of something failry extreme, it will not take them 13 years from that point to replace the 137 Harriers. I expect it will be quite a few years earlier than that and that they will be replaced at an accelerating pace throughout that time frame.

We'll just have to wait and see how it plays out...but the price is dropping, the tests are proceeding, planes are being delivered and flying, and my own experience in dealing with these types of prgrams tells me they are very well on track, despite the numerous naysayers (in and out of the service by the way) who never wanted it to succeed in the first place.

TerraN_EmpirE · Aug 9, 2013

Re: Japan Military News Thread

That is assuming the OA does not push more aggressive budget slashes Jeff.

delft · Aug 9, 2013

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thunderchief said:
Wasp-class needs several modification to be able to operate F-35B (details below) . I doubt that Izumo-class would ever operate those planes , but if they do :

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I found the whole article interesting, but also looked at the comments. Several were about Italy and the one I found most to the point was this one:

redstone
8:03 AM on 5/29/2013
And now we will have to see which additional costs will bear the Italian Navy to modify the deck of the aircraft carrier "Cavour" ....

Japan might be able afford to modify Izumo, but Italy, whose import and export are sharply down, surely can't pay for the modification of Cavour.
P.S. Jeff, you say that here was nothing new but why then was Congress not informed?

Jeff Head · Aug 9, 2013

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delft said:
...why then was Congress not informed?

Congress has been informed the entire time of both the projections and the potential vulbnerabilities. Clearly, Lockheed thought that they could get by with the same teatment as for the AV-8B...they found once the aircraft came out that they were wrong. Now those modifications are having to be made. .

As you well known, politicians are very well known for their selective memories.

The fact is, new technology is being put into the field. There are some additional issues. That is not unusual, and the issues here are certainly not out of the realm of what would be considered normal for this level og upgrade in terms of technology.

Right now it is politically correct, and for some, particularly in the DNC, politically expedient to crow loudly about these issues. Just like so many had selective memory (to this day) about their vote authorizinhg Bush to use force and invade Iraq. Once the issue of not finding nuclear weapons became a hot potatoe, suddenly you would have thought those people had never voted for it, seen the intel, and come to the same conclusions themselves.

I expect, as I said, that all Wasp and America class vessels will be flying the F-35B.

I expect that any partner nations buying the F-35B for their navies and carriers will find the way to do the same.

Time will tell, and it is probably best to get back on topic here.

This entire discussion really should be on the F-35 thread IMHO.

delft · Aug 9, 2013

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Jeff Head said:
Congress has been informed the entire time of both the projections and the potential vulbnerabilities. Clearly, Lockheed thought that they could get by with the same teatment as for the AV-8B...they found once the aircraft came out that they were wrong. Now those modifications are having to be made. .

As you well known, politicians are very well known for their selective memories.

The fact is, new technology is being put into the field. There are some additional issues. That is not unusual, and the issues here are certainly not out of the realm of what would be considered normal for this level og upgrade in terms of technology.

Right now it is politically correct, and for some, particularly in the DNC, politically expedient to crow loudly about these issues. Just like so many had selective memory (to this day) about their vote authorizinhg Bush to use force and invade Iraq. Once the issue of not finding nuclear weapons became a hot potatoe, suddenly you would have thought those people had never voted for it, seen the intel, and come to the same conclusions themselves.

I expect, as I said, that all Wasp and America class vessels will be flying the F-35B.

I expect that any partner nations buying the F-35B for their navies and carriers will find the way to do the same.

Time will tell, and it is probably best to get back on topic here.

This entire discussion really should be on the F-35 thread IMHO.

OT: it should be in the other place. Perhaps someone can oblige us.

Jeff, you know enough about jet engines that you understood that the jet of the F-35B would be stronger and hotter than that of the AV-8B. Besides the AV-8B has two hot jets on the side of the fuselage that entrain much more cold air than the single jet of the F-35B that blows directly against the deck. Those LM types must have known they were lying.
Otherwise I agree with you. But I think Italy will have to live without F-35B.

Jeff Head · Aug 9, 2013

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delft said:
OT: it should be in the other place. Perhaps someone can oblige us.

Jeff, you know enough about jet engines that you understood that the jet of the F-35B would be stronger and hotter than that of the AV-8B. Besides the AV-8B has two hot jets on the side of the fuselage that entrain much more cold air than the single jet of the F-35B that blows directly against the deck. Those LM types must have known they were lying.

Without knowing the specifics of both engines in detail, as well as the parameters of the deck treatment and understructure...and I don't, and I suspect you do not either, then to say they are lying is simply too gross of an over simplification and accusatory judgement to make. I doubt very serious they were out and out lying. I believe it is much more probable that they conducted tests and measurements that did not reflect all the parameters impacting the outcome.

Lying about something like this, and doing so intentionally, can land someone in jail. Those technicians, engineers, management, and executives do not want to risk going to jail...and most of them are professionals who pride themselves in the work they do, and it shows. They really are not wild-eyed, wild-haired greedy capiltialists you know? In the vast majority of cases like this, people simply make mistakes...and it looks like mistakes were made here.

delft said:
But I think Italy will have to live without F-35B.

I think it is far too soon to make that call too. The Italians are one of the major partners in the F-35 program., They are building a production and maintenance facility in Italy that will build and service other European (and their own) F-35s.

I expect they will find a way to get it done. They have one vessel to upgrade and if they do not, they will have no fixed wing naval aviation and I do not believe they are ready to write that off yet.

We shall see, but it is much more likely that the limit of the nbegative impact here will simply be a dealy. How ling? Who knows.

Popeye, Siegcrossbow, Tphuang, or T_U_P...could you move all of this F-35 specific discussion about the engine heat issues, etc. over to the F-35 thread? Thanks.

Pointblank · Aug 9, 2013

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Jeff Head said:
Congress has been informed the entire time of both the projections and the potential vulbnerabilities. Clearly, Lockheed thought that they could get by with the same teatment as for the AV-8B...they found once the aircraft came out that they were wrong. Now those modifications are having to be made. .

As you well known, politicians are very well known for their selective memories.

The fact is, new technology is being put into the field. There are some additional issues. That is not unusual, and the issues here are certainly not out of the realm of what would be considered normal for this level og upgrade in terms of technology.

Right now it is politically correct, and for some, particularly in the DNC, politically expedient to crow loudly about these issues. Just like so many had selective memory (to this day) about their vote authorizinhg Bush to use force and invade Iraq. Once the issue of not finding nuclear weapons became a hot potatoe, suddenly you would have thought those people had never voted for it, seen the intel, and come to the same conclusions themselves.

I expect, as I said, that all Wasp and America class vessels will be flying the F-35B.

I expect that any partner nations buying the F-35B for their navies and carriers will find the way to do the same.

Time will tell, and it is probably best to get back on topic here.

This entire discussion really should be on the F-35 thread IMHO.

FYI, investigation into a improved deck treatment is also focused on the V-22, as the V-22's exhaust runs very hot on the deck of the amphibs right now. There has been heat problems on the deck of the USN amphib's that required temporary quick fixes. For example, the modification to the V-22 on-deck engine-running procedure for idle running in excess of 10 minutes requires shutting down one engine and either putting a portable heat-shield under the running engine or parking the aircraft with the running engine over the catwalk rather than the deck.

bd popeye · Aug 15, 2013

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Thanks for your informative input PointBlank.

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Two U.S. Marine Corps F-35B Lightning II aircrafts with Marine Fighter Attack Squadron (VMFA) 121, Marine Aircraft Group 13, 3rd Marine Aircraft Wing (MAW), conduct a training flight from Marine Corps Air Station (MCAS) Yuma, Ariz. to MCAS Miramar, San Diego, Calif., Aug. 7, 2013 for a hot pit refuel. This evolution marked the first time an F-35B Lightning II executed a hot pit refuel at MCAS Miramar. (U.S. Marine Corps photograph by Sgt. Nathan Sotelo, 3rd MAW Combat Camera/Released)

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Two U.S. Marine Corps F-35B Lightning II aircrafts with Marine Fighter Attack Squadron (VMFA) 121, Marine Aircraft Group 13, 3rd Marine Aircraft Wing (MAW), conduct a training flight from Marine Corps Air Station (MCAS) Yuma, Ariz. to MCAS Miramar, San Diego, Calif., Aug. 7, 2013 for a hot pit refuel. This evolution marked the first time an F-35B Lightning II executed a hot pit refuel at MCAS Miramar. (U.S. Marine Corps photograph by Sgt. Nathan Sotelo, 3rd MAW Combat Camera/Released)

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Two U.S. Marine Corps F-35B Lightning II aircrafts with Marine Fighter Attack Squadron (VMFA) 121, Marine Aircraft Group 13, 3rd Marine Aircraft Wing (MAW), conduct a training flight from Marine Corps Air Station (MCAS) Yuma, Ariz. to MCAS Miramar, San Diego, Calif., Aug. 7, 2013 for a hot pit refuel. This evolution marked the first time an F-35B Lightning II executed a hot pit refuel at MCAS Miramar. (U.S. Marine Corps photograph by Sgt. Nathan Sotelo, 3rd MAW Combat Camera/Released)

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U.S. Marine Staff Sgt. Rodney E. Sargent Jr. with Marine Fighter Attack Squadron 121, Marine Aircraft Group 13, 3rd Marine Aircraft Wing, conducts a hot pit refuel on the F-35B Lightning II aircraft at Marine Corps Air Station (MCAS) Miramar, San Diego, Calif., Aug. 7, 2013. This evolution marked the first time an F-35B Lightning II executed a hot pit refuel at MCAS Miramar. (U.S. Marine Corps photograph by Sgt. Nathan Sotelo, 3rd MAW Combat Camera/Released)

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U.S. Marines with Marine Fighter Attack Squadron 121, Marine Aircraft Group 13, 3rd Marine Aircraft Wing, conduct a hot pit refuel on the F-35B Lightning II aircraft at Marine Corps Air Station (MCAS) Miramar, San Diego, Calif., Aug. 7, 2013. This evolution marked the first time an F-35B Lightning II executed a hot pit refuel at MCAS Miramar. (U.S. Marine Corps photograph by Sgt. Nathan Sotelo, 3rd MAW Combat Camera/Released)

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Two U.S. Marine Corps F-35B Lightning II aircrafts with Marine Fighter Attack Squadron (VMFA) 121, Marine Aircraft Group 13, 3rd Marine Aircraft Wing (MAW), conduct a training flight from Marine Corps Air Station (MCAS) Yuma, Ariz. to MCAS Miramar, San Diego, Calif., Aug. 7, 2013 for a hot pit refuel. This evolution marked the first time an F-35B Lightning II executed a hot pit refuel at MCAS Miramar. (U.S. Marine Corps photograph by Sgt. Nathan Sotelo, 3rd MAW Combat Camera/Released)

bd popeye · Aug 16, 2013

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F-35B Lightning II is at sea aboard USS Wasp (LHD 1). No PS, no speculation, just the real deal..

ATLANTIC OCEAN (Aug. 14, 2013) F-35B Lightning II aircraft conduct day and night flight operations from the amphibious assault ship USS Wasp (LHD 1) during the second at-sea F-35 developmental test event. The F-35B is the Marine Corps variant of the Joint Strike Fighter and is undergoing testing aboard Wasp. (U.S. Navy photos courtesy of Lockheed Martin by Todd R. McQueen & Andy Wolfe/Released)

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....(US Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class Caleb Cooper)

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(U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class Markus Castaneda/Released)

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(U.S. Navy photos by Mass Communication Specialist Seaman Michael T. Forbes II/Released)

Air Force Brat · Aug 16, 2013

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bd popeye said:
F-35B Lightning II is at sea aboard USS Wasp (LHD 1). No PS, no speculation, just the real deal..

You are the man Big Daddy, wish you were down here to help me chow on some of these Mators and Tators, and Brocoli, but the Honey Badger would prolly make you snap beans, but the corn on the cob is awesome, she fried me some Tators and made a peach pie yesterday, actually I wish I could send some to all my bros, especially that poor little skinny Player99, I hope somebody finds that boy a woman, but he'll prolly live to 110, end OT aaaannd

I Love these pictures, how kool is that, the F-35B is aboard ship and makin up for lost time, these birds are going to be like little buzzards, they gonna be everywhere, please nobody tell BHO, he hates it when we're having fun on the Sino Defense forum, I still think I want my A with C wings and tail, call it a D model, better yet, just call it the AFB special.....brat.

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