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The $14 billion software upgrade has led to “critical warfighting deficiencies” in the jets, but is still being deployed

The Pentagon is continuing to install a fresh software upgrade on its F-35 fighter jets, even though the programming turned out to be riddled with flaws, Bloomberg reports, citing a military testing report soon to be published.

The fighter jet operators discovered deficiencies “in weapons, fusion, communications and navigation, cybersecurity and targeting processes,” following the upgrade, the 13-page assessment viewed by the media says.

It adds that the software required further “modification and additional time and resources, which caused delays.”
The Lockheed Martin jet is heavily reliant on onboard software that includes more than eight million lines of code. The upgrade “does not adhere to the published best practices” and had “consistently failed to deliver the capabilities contained in their master schedule,” the assessment notes.

The upgrade was designed to provide the jets with new capabilities and increase their computing power and memory. It should have also allowed the fighters to carry new munition types, such as AIM-9X Block II air-to-air missiles, all-weather Small Diameter Bomb II munitions or radar-killing AARGM-ER missiles, and even the B-61 nuclear bomb.

However, the new processes “often introduced stability problems and/or adversely affected” other functions, as discovered by active-duty military units that frequently reported “critical warfighting deficiencies,” the document said.

The report blamed the slew of issues on inadequate funding, which resulted in testing that was not comprehensive enough to ensure “unintentional deficiencies [were] not embedded in the software prior to delivery.”

The cost of the upgrade has already amounted to $14 billion, according to Bloomberg.
The US Defense Department’s F-35 program office has so far refused to comment on this information, saying it would issue comments once the report was officially published.

The F-35s, which were touted by arms manufacturer Lockheed Martin as one of the most advanced fighter jets ever developed, have been plagued by a string of technical issues and a series of developmental delays, cost overruns, and malfunctions.
Most recently, an F-35C Lightning II suffered a “landing mishap” during drills in the South China Sea. The incident saw seven US Navy personnel injured. In early January, South Korea grounded all the F-35 jets it bought from the US after a landing gear glitch forced a pilot to perform a risky crash landing near a military base in the country’s west.
 

Temstar

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Looks like F-35C to me based on the area behind the cockpit.

Interesting wake, almost like the plane went into the water sideways or backwards,
Interesting thing about the leaked image, as far as I can gather so far it leaked first on Chinese side of the GFW. That's interesting. The simply explanation is someone is doing a bit of shit stirring and did a really good photoshop job.

On the other hand if this photo is the real deal and it leaked from China, that brings up all sorts of interesting implications.
 

Hyper

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Interesting thing about the leaked image, as far as I can gather so far it leaked first on Chinese side of the GFW. That's interesting. The simply explanation is someone is doing a bit of shit stirring and did a really good photoshop job.

On the other hand if this photo is the real deal and it leaked from China, that brings up all sorts of interesting implications.
The photo looks edited
 

drowingfish

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So much copium in that article. China won’t try to salvage the F35 because it ‘doesn’t have the stomach’ to increase tensions.

The pilot ejected, so it’s a derelict, which makes it much easier to claim salvage rights. Especially if the carrier and escorts have since fucked off, because as soon as the owner stops actively trying to recover the plane, it becomes a grey matter of judgement on whether the owner has ceased recovery efforts.


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But to be frank, great powers operating under the Anglo example don’t give a fuck about laws and rights, only might matters, case in point the US actively celebrated its own breaking of international law in raising the K129 when salvaging sunk naval vessels is expressly and specifically singled out as against international law.

In that context, it is still massively significant if the carrier and all escorts left the area because it’s one thing to send in salvage ships if there is a USN destroyer parked on the F35, but if it’s just open water than it’s either Chinese EEZ or international waters depending on where this happened, and the US would have zero legal power to force Chinese ships already in the area to leave once its own salvage ship gets there.

I think the main issue around China successfully salvaging the F35 is going to be on locating its resting spot on the sea floor. And that is why the USN left the area, so as to not give China an easy bullseye to zero in on.

However, the USN almost certainly would have been using a lot of active sonar at the time of the crash to pinpoint the location of the plane themselves, so it is still possible for China to have a good idea of where it might be. Whether that is good enough to make a salvage attempt worthwhile in terms of likely chance of success is the big question.
I think it is more of a security thing to leave. remember its more than a lost f35, the bigger issue is a snapped cable, which effectively grounds all aircrafts onboard. the battle group at that point had zero air cover, they did not have a choice.
 

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So much copium in that article. China won’t try to salvage the F35 because it ‘doesn’t have the stomach’ to increase tensions.

The pilot ejected, so it’s a derelict, which makes it much easier to claim salvage rights. Especially if the carrier and escorts have since fucked off, because as soon as the owner stops actively trying to recover the plane, it becomes a grey matter of judgement on whether the owner has ceased recovery efforts.


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But to be frank, great powers operating under the Anglo example don’t give a fuck about laws and rights, only might matters, case in point the US actively celebrated its own breaking of international law in raising the K129 when salvaging sunk naval vessels is expressly and specifically singled out as against international law.

In that context, it is still massively significant if the carrier and all escorts left the area because it’s one thing to send in salvage ships if there is a USN destroyer parked on the F35, but if it’s just open water than it’s either Chinese EEZ or international waters depending on where this happened, and the US would have zero legal power to force Chinese ships already in the area to leave once its own salvage ship gets there.

I think the main issue around China successfully salvaging the F35 is going to be on locating its resting spot on the sea floor. And that is why the USN left the area, so as to not give China an easy bullseye to zero in on.

However, the USN almost certainly would have been using a lot of active sonar at the time of the crash to pinpoint the location of the plane themselves, so it is still possible for China to have a good idea of where it might be. Whether that is good enough to make a salvage attempt worthwhile in terms of likely chance of success is the big question.

China doesn't even need to salvage the entire plane.

A small section of wing or tail would still be very, very useful
 

plawolf

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I think it is more of a security thing to leave. remember its more than a lost f35, the bigger issue is a snapped cable, which effectively grounds all aircrafts onboard. the battle group at that point had zero air cover, they did not have a choice.
Snapped cable happens from time to time and should be easily replaceable within a matter of hours.

It’s peacetime and there is zero risk of anyone launching an attack against the carrier. Even if they do, it still got all its escorts and worst case scenario it can still scramble its fighters and hope to have the cable replaced by the time they need to land or emergency divert them to the Philippines and work out the diplomatic details later.

Finally, if the carrier absolutely needed to move, they could have left a destroyer to sit on the crash site. Although I expect the CSG’s SSN escort may be sitting on the crash site instead.

I think they chose to leave to not mark the spot of the crash and are hoping that China cannot pinpoint it in time to get ships on site before their salvage ship can get there. Because as I said, they will have a very hard time stopping the Chinese from salvaging the plane first if they know where it’s at, as international law gives them minimal protection so if they want to stop the Chinese, they will have to use force and that can easily escalate into an all out shooting war. That the USN would be at a massive disadvantage in due to geographical realities of where this happened.
 

ougoah

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The F-35 would not be useful to China. The part China would like to study in detail is its electronic capabilities and intangibles that would have been destroyed. Things like how the F-35 does its sensor fusion.

Remember that the Americans purchased Soviet and Russian equipment every single chance it gets. It developed a Kh-31 equivalent to practice against. The US has taken many Russian made Pantsir air defence units and it's been open about attaining, stealing, buying, reverse engineering, Russian missiles, Russian fighters/interceptors, a Russian submarine, Russian air defence systems, Russian small arms. This is what any semi competent actor does. China would indeed love to have a intact and working F-35 to study. This? not so much.

At most some internal construction details and an insight into how the American aircraft manufacturing industry level is at could probably be determined.

China has long had its own developments since the 1980s in various avionics from helmet cuing, weapons suite integration, sensor fusion, its own electronics and sensor suite and all the assorted nuts and bolts of the "intangibles". It cannot copy intangibles like a mechanical system can be copied and reproduced even in a slightly different form e.g. SAC copied Lockheed Martin stealth design principles and even the J-20 followed that route and honestly the Su-57 did in parts too (radome and alignments for that one). Now the KFX is too. The paper planes TFX and AMCA are also following and copying Lockheed Martin stealth design geometry and principles. Principles are the same. It is convergent engineering because the physics is the same. Why do all 5th gen fighters in service and planned all look like they are using Lockheed's design? The same reason Airbus, Boeing, Embraer, Bombardier, COMAC, Tupolev, Sukhoi airliners of the same class look nearly identical even in their ratios. The same reason rockets are conical columns whether they come from an Indian warehouse or an Iranian drawing board.

Even if China could get full terabytes of data on F-35's software, sensor suite, weapons suite, sensor fusion, it would be only assessing it against China's own level and taking every single good idea that they didn't use or better idea that they didn't discover. Chances are Chinese side would have some advantages over the Americans. Both are equally smart, equally hardworking and overall capable. The difference is in the industrial capability of the suppliers and the academic depth of their fundamentals. Here the US had a significant experience advantage as well as funding. Well back in the 1990s to 2010s at most. It is nothing near that far ahead anymore despite what many still desperately want to believe. It just isn't that obvious to the average idiot, the layman, and the fanboy yet and all that propaganda gets to their heads as well.

Manufacturing advantage? None.

Materials advantage (in everything other than engine materials)? None... China actually is ahead in metamaterials given what the Chinese have been okay with leaking. Compared to US public domain info that is... which might not be much to go on tbh.

Engine advantage... US leads by at least one generation and half a decade so basically 1.5 decades lol. China's got its own variable cycle in development but probably nowhere near ADVENT's stage.

Weapons suite? same same (from what we can tell obviously).

Radar, software, fusion, passive active sensors ecm esm etc etc? same same (again from what we can tell).

Testing, refining, modifying, actually making, putting into service? again the same from a genuinely unbiased decades long careful assessment and constant observation of military affairs and development.

China would love to know everything about the F-35 more for finding any good or better ideas applied by the American teams. More than this, China would like to determine the F-35's strengths and weaknesses.

A wrecked and flooded F-35 doesn't give any of that. It is nice to take I guess and make the other annoyed? perhaps... honestly probably not wise or worth it since zero benefit and annoying adversary isn't always a good thing. In fact it rarely is.

Perhaps why the Americans are happy to leave it there unguarded. They understand.
 
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