F-35 Joint Strike Fighter News, Videos and pics Thread

Air Force Brat

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6 to 10 % so up to 21.5 tons ! F-35B with a different system actualy get an inferior thrust to 18.5 t vs 19.5 for A/C.

Just to be more specific, it will decrease take-off roll, it will increase climb rate, it will increase the aircrafts ability to pull more G, at higher altitudes, it will increase load carrying capability, it will increase range, and it will improve sustained turn rates, as well as service life of the engine if operated within the current performance envelope.

In other words, it the engine will tolerate higher temps, burning less fuel, you will have a greater margine of safety in all aspects of aircraft operations, and certain operations that may now require "re-heat", may be possible with-out reheat, saving further wear and tear on the engine and reducing fuel consumption.
 

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Can anyone tell me what it would take for the 35 to be able to super cruise if its even possible for the airframe to achieve is it just a matter of increased thrust or some thing more complex?
 
Pratt & Whitney to target F-35 engine’s supply chain for new savings
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As the Pentagon tightens its grip on F-35 program costs, Pratt & Whitney will put pressure on its own supply chain in the hope of decreasing the price of the joint strike fighter’s F135 engine, its president of military engines said Wednesday.

“We’re going to start really focusing with them, bringing in expertise to look at ‘should cost’ of those components, identifying that they have the most cost-effective production system [and] challenging them on their supplier management,” Matthew Bromberg said during an interview in West Palm Beach, Florida.

Pratt & Whitney has checked off more than 1,200 improvements meant to drive cost from the F135, but Bromberg acknowledged that its suppliers — even its tier-one suppliers that work directly with the company — have remained mostly untouched.

That will likely change, not just for Pratt & Whitney suppliers but for companies up and down the supply chain working on Lockheed Martin’s F-35. Shay Assad, the Pentagon’s director of defense pricing, announced in March that he and the F-35 Joint Program Office would embark on a “deep dive” of the weapon system’s cost.

The review would encompass not only Lockheed’s supply chain, but those of the top 20 to 25 firms that make the major components and systems of the aircraft, he said during the McAleese and Associates annual conference.

“We know what we’re paying, but the real question is: What does it cost, and more importantly, what should it cost? That’s really where we want to go,” he said then.

Pratt & Whitney claims to have reduced the F135 engine's price by more than 50 percent since the program’s inception. Some of those savings were generated organically as production quantities increased, but it was also driven by government and company investments that paid for about 1,200 improvements to manufacturing processes or materials, Bromberg said.

“That’s, we think, a successful partnership, and it’s yielded huge benefits to the program office and the government with this 51 percent cost reduction,” he said during a media trip to see Pratt & Whitney’s F135 production line in West Palm Beach. Defense News accepted hotel and travel accommodations from the company.

Pratt has identified an additional 600 tasks that could further cut the price of the engine and has communicated that information to the F-35 JPO, Bromberg said. Those items could potentially be selected by the Pentagon to put into action as part of an ongoing F-35 cost assessment.

Beyond that, the company is considering how to more effectively sustain the engine.

“We’ve taken just under 15 percent of the life of sustainment costs out of the program because we reduced the cost of the hardware,” Bromberg said. “Material only makes about 60 percent of your sustainment costs, so we’ve taken out a lot of cost by the work we’ve done in the past.”

In the future, Pratt will focus on improving the reliability of the engine — which would lower costs by increasing the time in between depot visits — and optimizing the flow of parts and materials coming in and out of depots.

“This is a global logistics system that is being set up, so the idea is optimizing where spare engines are [and] spare modules are and how to get them to [where they're] need[ed] as quickly as possible,” he said. “ALIS [the F-35’s logistics system] can play a big part of that, because it can be a very predictive system.”

The latest version of the Autonomic Logistics Information System, ALIS 2.0.2, plugs the F135 into the overall capability, allowing maintainers to use the system to run diagnostics on the motor, monitor its health and order spare parts.
 
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NAGOYA, Japan, June 5, 2017 – The first Japanese-assembled F-35A was unveiled during a ceremony at the Mitsubishi Heavy Industries (MHI) F-35 Final Assembly and Check Out (FACO) facility in Nagoya, Japan today. Approximately 200 people attended the ceremony including Japanese and United States government and defense industry leaders. The ceremony highlighted the strong partnership between Japan and United States. (Photo by Thinh D. Nguyen, Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Company)
 

Air Force Brat

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Can anyone tell me what it would take for the 35 to be able to super cruise if its even possible for the airframe to achieve is it just a matter of increased thrust or some thing more complex?

"ain't gonna happen period", that's really no longer a priority, in fact the B-21 is gonna slow down and be kool and fuel efficient, in order to maintain its stealthiness. The F-35 is kinda draggy, and only has one powerplant, which must have the "heat turned up", in order to perform, so a thrust and fuel efficiency increase is "all good".

not likely to ever supercruise, although once you come out of burner, it will remain supersonic for some time as speed bleeds off rather slowly, so no its not as "draggy" as it seems, but that's NOT supercruise.
 

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...and the bet goes on. Japan!


Spain is indicating that it will get on the same band wagon. They are going to have to replace the Harrier/Matadors with something for their carrier, and they are going to want even more F-35s for their Air Force.
 
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Spain is indicating that it will get on the same band wagon. They are going to have to replace the Harrier/Matadors with something for their carrier, and they are going to want even more F-35s for their Air Force.
found Lockheed says in talks with Spain, Belgium, others on buying F-35s
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Lockheed Martin Corp said on Friday it was talking to the governments of Spain, Switzerland and Belgium about selling its F-35 fighter jets to the European nations.

Bringing new customers could help significantly reduce the cost of the military aircraft after several blowouts and production delays. The United States and 10 allies are clients of the F-35 currently.

"We are talking to several other countries - Switzerland, Belgium, Spain," Jeff Babione, Lockheed Martin's F-35 program leader, told reporters at the Avalon Airshow in Australia.

"There are quite a few other European nations that are looking at perhaps having the F-35 as an opportunity," Babione said. "We are starting to see other customers think about the F-35 being added to their fleet."

Another person familiar with the discussions, who was not authorized to speak on the record, said that Finland was also in talks.

Babione said that countries already signed up to the F-35 program along with the United States - Australia, Denmark, Italy, the Netherlands, Norway, Turkey, the United Kingdom, Japan, South Korea and Israel - need to start ordering in blocks beyond yearly commitments to help meet a reduced target cost of $80 million by 2020.

"It is actually a very reasonable target but it is going to take cooperation in changing the way we buy the aircraft," he said.

U.S. President Donald Trump has criticized the cost of the project. While the price per jet has steadily declined since the first jets were delivered to the U.S. military in 2011 as production has increased, it remains at $94.6 million.

Lockheed is pressing purchasers to agree to a three-year block buy that would help reduce costs by bulk sourcing parts.

"The longer we do it the more we are able to aggregate," Babione said. "Maybe in the future you are talking about a multi-year and you could do a five year multi-year and increase the savings."


Babione also urged Canada to speed up a decision about whether it would buy the F-35s or Boeing Co's Super Hornets instead.

The Pentagon's head of the F-35 program said earlier this week at Avalon that the overall reliability of the jets is being pulled down by initial versions of the aircraft which do not perform as well as more recently delivered jets.

"Unfortunately today the aircraft reliability and maintainability of the airplane is what I would call flat," Lieutenant General Chris Bogdan of the U.S. Department of Defense said.
 

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...and the bet goes on. Japan!


Spain is indicating that it will get on the same band wagon. They are going to have to replace the Harrier/Matadors with something for their carrier, and they are going to want even more F-35s for their Air Force.
First Japanese-Built F-35A Officially Unveiled at Nagoya Facility
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Only 38 few for a new production line curious ! they have yet ofc build US fighters Under license F-104, F-4, F-15 but much more 210, 140 and about 220 !

But the need is there cuz F-4EJ " Kai" means very modified are brave old Warriors but mainly for BVR combat with a limited radar and AIM-7 few capable now against new birds in this area .. !
 
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