F-35 Joint Strike Fighter News, Videos and pics Thread

dtulsa

Junior Member
The same theory lead to the F4 and F111 fine aircraft no doubt but could never be considered world beaters when it came to a one on one issue of a dogfight and my last issue is the length of time for IOC which if Ime right is almost 10-12 years alot of aircraft are already obsolete by then or vastly upgraded
 

Brumby

Major
Yes from everything I have read it can't outfight the very planes it was designed to replace

If you are referring to a report of a F-16 pilot that was taken out of context, then I suggest that we go no further because this had been refuted and beaten to death. No credible conclusion is ever based on a single data point and especially in this case when that data point is not even relevant.
 

Brumby

Major
The same theory lead to the F4 and F111 fine aircraft no doubt but could never be considered world beaters when it came to a one on one issue of a dogfight and my last issue is the length of time for IOC which if Ime right is almost 10-12 years alot of aircraft are already obsolete by then or vastly upgraded
..... and what has the F4 and F111 got to do with the F-35 program?

Do you think it could outfight the latest Russian planes one on one let alone future designs
The design philosophy was first look, first shot and first kill. Would it work? All those air forces that have access to the classified data seems to think so.
 

Brumby

Major
F-35 Acquisition Cost Drops $12 Billion

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WASHINGTON — The Pentagon’s most recent estimate for the F-35 joint strike fighter’s total acquisition cost shows a drop of $12.1 billion since 2014, according to a government watchdog.

As of March 2016, the Pentagon’s estimate for the total acquisition cost of the F-35 program is $379 billion, down from $391 billion projected in 2014, the Government Accountability Office’s Michael Sullivan noted in his March 23 written testimony before the House Armed Services subcommittee on tactical air and land forces. This includes research, development, test and evaluation (RDT&E), procurement and military construction funds.

Not including inflation, that translates into an approximately $7 billion drop, according to F-35 Joint Program Office chief Lt. Gen Christopher Bogdan.

“We are coming down the learning curve and the price curve a little steeper,” Bogdan said March 23 after the hearing. “We are coming down the price curve faster than we anticipated years ago.”

The Pentagon will officially announce the new estimate on March 24 as part of the annual release of its Selected Acquisition Report.

The JPO and contractor Lockheed Martin are currently negotiating about $15 billion worth of contracts for the ninth and tenth batches of F-35s. The JPO is “very close” to finalizing an agreement for lot nine, but lot 10 may take longer, Bogdan said.

By law, Bogdan can not sign a contract for the lot ten aircraft until Air Force Secretary Deborah Lee James certifies that the Air Force F-35As delivered during fiscal 2018 will have the final Block 3F software, the version needed for full warfighting capability. Before certification, Bogdan wants to fix an issue with the stability of the latest software version and finalize a plan to speed up weapons testing, he said.

Bogdan said he hopes to reach an agreement for lots nine and ten by the end of April.

“I think sometime toward the end of April [James] will be ready to do that, and that probably syncs up with lot 9 and 10,” Bogdan said. “I am timing all of this to come together in April.”
 

dtulsa

Junior Member
History is full of such instances where tech and theory plus plans have failed would it not be best to give pilots the best poss. aircraft for such times
 

Air Force Brat

Brigadier
Super Moderator
Do you think it could outfight the latest Russian planes one on one let alone future designs

WOW!, you're making statements with NO basis in aerodynamic realities, of course it will defeat any fourth gen or four+ gen aircraft. The only bright spot in your diatribe is your apparent recognition that the F-22 rules?? the F-35 shares a great deal of aerodynamic performance with the F-22, the F-35 is currently limited to an AOA of 50 degrees positive by its FCS, it was initially flown to 73 degrees AOA with the limits removed and later to 110 degrees AOA with NO bad habits or dangerous departures???

The F-14, F-15, and F-16 would each and everyone eat your lunch, the F-18 is a much more tractable at high alpha, and while not reaching 50 degrees would likely be happy into the 30s +. So the F-35 is indeed a very docile, high lift aircraft, and performance will only increase as the FCS limits are gradually relaxed, it does all this with-out OVT. The F-35 will likely be produced in numbers very similar to the F-16 which it is destined to replace.

The Real secret of the F-35 is in its unparalleled situational awareness, and its stealth capabilities on a similar level to the F-22s, in other words outstanding.

I think you ought to tell us about your advanced aeronautics degrees?? and your hundreds of hours of flight time??? what I really want to know is how old you are, and your educational back-ground??? I'm almost 60, with college and a pilots license.

In the extremely hostile access denial environment of the S300 and S400 you better be very stealthy, and you better NOT be emitting, the F-35 like the F-22 will excel in that environment, your fourth gens are indeed quacking like ducks?? "duck a'larang?", served up over a bed of rice.......and yes they are indeed sitting ducks? jamming will help, but it won't eliminate the very high level of risk.
 

dtulsa

Junior Member
Appreciate the responses I am 54 myself no I don't study aerodynamics just history and was limiting the threats to dogfight situations which a lot of people have a concern about especially if it's one on one against the latest Russian of possible Chinese aircraft
 
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