F-35 Joint Strike Fighter News, Videos and pics Thread
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How can they judge that when they have never seen the inside of the J-20 or the J-31 before? Oh yeah it's all speculation and propaganda to make the home fan bois feel better.
Well, we started "flying", operating Blackbirds, SR-71's and MC-130E's in the early to mid 60s, those two aircraft were benchmarks, and both of those aircraft performed far beyond expectations. My own Dad flew the MC-130E from the fall of 67-through the fall of 68. His office was in the US Embassy in Saigon working for MACVSOG, he had between 65 to 70 hours of combat time in that aircraft, in country.
Back to Mr Weiss's point, the F-22 was a fully integrated operating system, and wildly successful beyond our wildest imaginings in spite of several significant design issues that had to be addressed, and even today make this a very high maintenance bird in order to maintain her capabilities.
Back on Topic, the F-35 is the most synergistic fighting system ever designed, and is really in the "toddler stage of development". It will "learn" as it grows up, and each successive upgrade will bring it more and more capability, indeed it is also very adaptive--(plug and play) weapons systems, etc.
In the world of 5th gen fighters, the phrase "you have to crawl before you can walk" are absolutely true. There have never been any "shortcuts" in 5th Gen, and it is very, very, very costly in time invested, as well as money, you can't "through money at it", and expect to get to the top, that comes one rung at a time!
How can they judge that when they have never seen the inside of the J-20 or the J-31 before? Oh yeah it's all speculation and propaganda to make the home fan bois feel better.
Well, we started "flying", operating Blackbirds, SR-71's and MC-130E's in the early to mid 60s, those two aircraft were benchmarks, and both of those aircraft performed far beyond expectations. My own Dad flew the MC-130E from the fall of 67-through the fall of 68. His office was in the US Embassy in Saigon working for MACVSOG, he had between 65 to 70 hours of combat time in that aircraft, in country.
Back to Mr Weiss's point, the F-22 was a fully integrated operating system, and wildly successful beyond our wildest imaginings in spite of several significant design issues that had to be addressed, and even today make this a very high maintenance bird in order to maintain her capabilities.
Back on Topic, the F-35 is the most synergistic fighting system ever designed, and is really in the "toddler stage of development". It will "learn" as it grows up, and each successive upgrade will bring it more and more capability, indeed it is also very adaptive--(plug and play) weapons systems, etc.
In the world of 5th gen fighters, the phrase "you have to crawl before you can walk" are absolutely true. There have never been any "shortcuts" in 5th Gen, and it is very, very, very costly in time invested, as well as money, you can't "through money at it", and expect to get to the top, that comes one rung at a time!
Equation
Lieutenant General
Yeah but the US are behind China in regards to HGV engines and DF-21D and DF-26 ASBM. Those are high tech engines that had success that no other country has yet to match, not to mention the high tech software it involved in them. Now apply that knowledge and know how in a 5th generation jet development program and you get the idea.
Do Hypersonic Glide Vehicles have engines? I thought they just glided? Do you mean scramjet engines? If so, I am not aware of any Chinese scramjet test being conducted (at least test flown). Regarding the AShBM, I will hold off any judgements until I see an actual end-to-end test with a moving target at sea tracked by satellite.
This all said, it would be prudent to assume that the J-20 has been competently engineered and works as intended. Until any hard evidence is discovered to the contrary, it would be risky to assume otherwise.
This all said, it would be prudent to assume that the J-20 has been competently engineered and works as intended. Until any hard evidence is discovered to the contrary, it would be risky to assume otherwise.
Brumby
Major
Is anyone seriously suggesting to strap a ramjet or AshBM engine unto a J-20 or J-31 to make a point about Chinese technical advances. A most basic premise in reasoning is the law of common entity. If we are discussing between apples and oranges than we might as well be speaking in Klingon.
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Once again back on Topic, Mr. Weiss is speaking to the "outstanding" capabilities of the F-35 and F-22, as one of the "Top Dogs" at the "Skunkworks". Its not about whether X is ahead of Y in this area, but Y is ahead of X over here, it is about Fifth Generation Fighter aircraft "beauty" being more than "skin deep". For him to declare our supremacy over the other Fifth Generation aircraft, is not the words of some ad exec or fanboy, as many here would love to believe, it is the "Word" of one of the foremost "experts" in the field of A2A/A2G stealthy aircraft.
whether or not anyone here other than myself believe it, is completely irrelevant to the truth?
Equation
Lieutenant General
I was referring to China's overall technological program that the media thinks is always behind the US in everyway. Like I said it's all about the program. China has the money and the many scientists and engineers to put even the best of people at DARPA to shame and those two programs alone that I've just mentioned are proof.
I let history be the judge of so called advanced technology issues so far for every advancement their is a counter advancement but when an actual war with shooting starts it seems so called advanced tech. doesn't do so well as a well balanced dedicated fighter or strike aircraft instead of multimission high-tech gadgets