Well, they call themselves "Down Under" for a reason... Plus when you flush the toilet there the water spins the wrong way!
F-35 Joint Strike Fighter News, Videos and pics Thread
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Well, they call themselves "Down Under" for a reason... Plus when you flush the toilet there the water spins the wrong way!
Brumby
Major
Your power of observation simply amazing. Which is the right way the water is supposed to spin? I will take note of it the next time I visit the toilet. LOL.
I understand there is six degrees of separation, but how is the toilet connected to the F-35B?
He is a nube, lets cut him a little slack, he has a sense of humor, just hasn't learned what is funny here on the Sino D and what ain't to certain people?? LOL
I recall how nasty my early days were on Defense Talk, lots of negative KRAP, protecting the NIH group think, so lets try to be civil. Zarkon, I see your a neighbor from SouthWestern Obamastan, best to let people get to know what a great guy you are before trying to be too witty?? just a word to the wise, read the rules bro, now back on topic.
I'm happy to see the PM has enough sense to at least wonder whether or not the Bravo would be an option, and yes it would be expensive, but at least he seems concerned enough about the junk going on to confront it. I'm sure I would prefer someone engaged in our defense, as opposed to someone who seems "disinterested". The high cost of aircraft and their operation even has our new head of the joint chiefs trying to "peg" the right numbers for our own buy?
The F-35B will be a very capable combat aircraft, it won't be cheap, but it might be the right bird to put some juice into those Canberra's, as Jeff says, we will have to wait and see, recall Jimmy Carter canceled our B-1s, thankfully a wiser, more concerned man stepped up and relit the fire.
and as Jeff reminds us, you can't cancel something you haven't bought?
Good points Air Force Brat (fyi, I based my location on yours. I found that funny). The wording used mirrored the AviationWeek source article. While its certainly true that you can't cancel what you haven't bought, it is also clear that a sale not made is effectively the same as a lost sale (quantity being a factor in the per unit cost of the plane). High downward heat from the STOVL version wasn't compatible with the Oz LHDs.
Brumby
Major
You should note that the many comments taking a poke at the wording wasn't directly at you but the article. This would be increasingly obvious when you become more familiar with this site and the posters.
The problem with the choice of the words in the article for those of us who follow the program closely is that it was misleading in that as a casual read it would suggest the F-35B was well progressed in the buy process and was a serious consideration with the Australian military establishment. In reality, the only reason it even became a talking point was because the PM raised it as an item to be considered. In deference to the office of the PM, some assessment was done. That was all there is to it.
I very much appreciate your location, amazing how an impoverished republic has emerged from the very heart of the free world, and Illinois is Broke, Broke?? LOL
However, it was NEVER the intention of Aus to buy F-35Bs for the Canberra's, they went with the A very early for many outstanding reasons, not the least of which was simplicity, gun, initial purchase price, and maintainability. To say otherwise is to question the veracity of the Aus powers that be. Now that being said, I'm rather certain that Jeff would love to see the F-35s on the Canberra's as would I, but that may remain a bridge to far, apparently the PM also thought the idea had merit. With the current financial situation here in Central Obamastan, and sequestration looming on the horizon, this whole mess could come unglued? and the fact that the opposing teams are having some difficulties of their own, as well as a cash slowdown?
Now to get back on topic, I'm excited about the proposed bulk buy, no doubt that would get our numbers of operational aircraft into the "therapeutic range". That the F-35 may well come in at a very similar price as our fourth gens is even more encouraging.
and Mr. Brumby here is among those who are in the know, and very well versed in the numbers and expenses involved. thank you Mr. Brumby for your clarification.
Actually, it is not even close to being the same.
In one case you have a commitment with the appropriate financial considerations, logistical consideration, and planning already in work, all of which have to be stopped in the event of a cancelation. And that cancelation itself may incur costs on the one canceling it.
In the other you have...well, nothing comparable. No commitment. You have people talking about it.
This is the case for all LHA/LHDs considering the F-35B. The BRAVO it is hotter than the Harriers and was something that was already well understood when the PM asked for the RAN to look at it.Zarkon said:
They did and determined that it was more expensive than they wanted...and I will be you that the real expense they wanted to forego was not the revamp of the deck and hanger spaces necessary. That would have been cheap compared to the cost of the aircraft.
IMHO, they simply decided that the cost of buying and them maintaining 12-20 F-35Bs for the two Canberras was simply too much for what they expected to get out of it. Cost benefit analysis from Australia's stand[point failed.
HAving made thaty decision, they are putting the best face on it that they can. But it was Australia's decision to make, and for their own reasons and benefit weighting analysis. Now they have done so.
I might add...that in the future there is nothing that would keep them from reconsidering that decision if the vulnerabilities and geo=political situation changed to the point where their calculus changed. The aircraft will be there for some time to purchase...and the vessels will also be there and capable of being modified.
At this point, like Kwaig, I doubt it will happen...but you never know. Things can change.
That coating is darker than I have seen?? lighting??? I do like it though, heck, I'm to the place that this girl is looking especially sweet in her factory non corrosive coatings, funny how airplanes just grow on you, I was especially sold after those high AOA tests, show she has a real fighter mojo going, she just don't want to quit flying. I admire that, more than that she is developing her own mojo, kinda like a flying NINJA! so I def like her black pajamas.