F-35 Joint Strike Fighter News, Videos and pics Thread

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How much of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter's spiraling cost in recent years can be traced to China's cybertheft of technology and the subsequent need to reduce the fifth-generation aircraft's vulnerability to detection and electronic attack?


That is a central question that budget planners are asking, and their queries appear to have validity. Moreover, senior Pentagon and industry officials say other classified weapon programs are suffering from the same problem. Before the intrusions were discovered nearly three years ago, Chinese hackers actually sat in on what were supposed to have been secure, online program-progress conferences, the officials say.

The full extent of the connection is still being assessed, but there is consensus that escalating costs, reduced annual purchases and production stretch-outs are a reflection to some degree of the need for redesign of critical equipment. Examples include specialized communications and antenna arrays for stealth aircraft, as well as significant rewriting of software to protect systems vulnerable to hacking.

It is only recently that U.S. officials have started talking openly about how data losses are driving up the cost of military programs and creating operational vulnerabilities, although claims of a large impact on the Lockheed Martin JSF are drawing mixed responses from senior leaders. All the same, no one is saying there has been no impact.

While claiming ignorance of details about effects on the stealth strike aircraft program, James Clapper, director of national intelligence, says that Internet technology has “led to egregious pilfering of intellectual capital and property. The F-35 was clearly a target,” he confirms. “Clearly the attacks . . . whether from individuals or nation-states are a serious challenge and we need to do something about it.”

The F-35 issue was ducked as well by David Shedd, deputy director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, but not the impact of cybertheft on defense spending and operational security.

“I am not going to talk about the F-35, Shedd says. “I’d be sitting with the secretary having a counseling session. The answer is absolutely yes. The leaks have hurt our efforts in that it gives the adversary an advantage in having insights into what we’re doing. It should be clear that whether there are leaks on the technology side or that affect preemptive decision-making, they are very damaging to the intelligence community.”

Those closer to the program are less equivocal about the damage that cyberintrusions are causing the JSF program.

“You are on to something,” says a veteran combat pilot with insight into both the F-35 and the intelligence communities “There are both operational and schedule problems with the program related to the cyber data thefts. In addition, there are the costs of redressing weaknesses in the original system design and lots of software fixes.”

The subject also was addressed during Pentagon briefings about President Barack Obama’s budget for 2013.

“We are very attentive . . . to cybervulnerabilities in weapon systems, ours and those of others,” says Deputy Defense Secretary Ashton Carter. “It’s part of the modern world. It’s a highly computerized airplane. Like all our other computer systems, we have to be attentive to it.”

In July 2011, then-Deputy Defense Secretary William Lynn pointed out that a foreign intelligence agency had victimized a major defense contractor and extracted 24,000 files concerning a developmental system. That is important because a decision to redesign a compromised system depends on whether the lost information would help the intruder develop similar systems and generate methods of attack and defense. Some U.S. officials have pegged the costs at tens of billions of dollars.

There is some empirical evidence to support this concern. China has made a habit in recent years of regularly rolling out new aircraft designs, including the J-20 stealth prototype strike fighter and a series of new unmanned aircraft that look like U.S. designs such as the Global Hawk and Sensor Craft.

Nonetheless, the Pentagon’s ardor for the strike fighter has not dampened.

“We want the airplane,” Carter declares. “We want all three variants. At the same time, there is the issue of cost and the performance of the program in this difficult time when we are trying to reach full-rate production. That’s still a concern. We’ll ride up that curve to full-rate production when it’s economically and managerially prudent to do it.”

Despite the proclamation of support for the program, the Pentagon is expected to reduce by 179 aircraft the U.S. buy of F-35s through 2017 in the forthcoming fiscal 2013 defense spending request, according to a Reuters report. If approved by Congress, this would dash the hopes of Lockheed Martin to swiftly ramp up production and lower per-unit prices, a goal tied to the company’s campaign to sell the aircraft abroad. The Pentagon’s reasoning for slowing production is to reduce the impact of yet-unknown problems that could still arise from the flight-test program. In addition, the Block II software package is late. It was slated for release to the flight-testing fleet by the end of last year.

An early concern about a possible avenue for hacking into stealth aircraft, the F-35’s Multifunction Advanced Data Link (MADL), is no longer suspect. It was dropped as an add-on to the F-22 and B-2 that would allow stealth aircraft to communicate without being detected. Program insiders say MADL was scrubbed as a “pure money issue.” MADL was designed for high throughput, frequency-hopping and anti-jamming capabilities with phased-array antenna assemblies that send and receive tightly directed radio signals.

The F-35 program may have been vulnerable because of its lengthy development. Defense analysts note that the JSF’s information system was not designed with cyberespionage, now called advanced persistent threat, in mind. Lockheed Martin officials now admit that subcontractors (6-8 in 2009 alone, according to company officials) were hacked and “totally compromised.” In fact, the stealth fighter program probably has the biggest “attack surface” or points that can be attacked owing to the vast number of international subcontractors.

There also is the issue of unintended consequences. The 2009 hacking was apparently not aimed at the F-35 but rather at a classified program. However, those accidental results were spectacular. Not only could intruders extract data, but they became invisible witnesses to online meetings and technical discussions, say veteran U.S. aerospace industry analysts. After the break-in was discovered, the classified program was halted and not restarted until a completely new, costly and cumbersome security system was in place.

There is another view of what is affecting JSF and why. A former senior staffer for the U.S. Senate contends that the F-35 program’s problems reflect diminishing interest in manned aircraft whose performance is limited primarily by its aircrew.

“I think the biggest issue facing the JSF is that there has been a profound shift in the military’s perception of the value of manned aircraft compared to unmanned aircraft,” he says. “I’ve had long conversations with a Marine Corps forward air controller who has just returned from Afghanistan. He pointed out that an F/A-18 can be kept on call for 15 minutes, but an unmanned Reaper is there for eight hours. The day of the fighter pilot is over. There has been a seismic shift in the military’s value judgment of manned and unmanned aircraft.”

However, that is a disputed analysis.

The JSF and its mission of penetrating integrated air defense systems will not be threatened by unmanned aircraft despite cost issues, says a retired aerospace official who has been involved with the F-35 throughout its life.
 

Jeff Head

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Unmanned aircraft have long loiter time...but are short on the shear amount of ordinance they can carry...also, they are only useful if air dominance is maintained. One manned enemy fighter will reak havoc on them.

So, the unmanned support aircraft have their role, but in any major conmfrontation, with air superiority contested, or larger piched battles, the manned support aircraft, like the F-25, will be necessary and the US Military knows this and will go through and procure them.
 

Air Force Brat

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In fact General Norman Scwhartz stated recently stated it would be 20 to 30 years before uavs could operate autonamously, if then and then asked would you want a ucav flying around with a nuke, the answer is no way, never. As Jeff has stated, they are fine in a clean environment, without bogeys, they do not fair well against a serious air to air or air to ground defense. So for all the ucav fan boys, would you really want a uav flying around with a nuke, and myself personally, I don't want ucavs in civilian airspace over the US period, from a privacy standpoint first and a safety standpoint second. But then Mr Murphy was my great uncle!
 

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The BBC publishes this news on its web site:
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Italy cuts order for F-35 combat jets
Italy is cutting an order for combat jets by more than 30% as part of the country's austerity measures.
Defence Minister Giampaolo Di Paola says the nation will buy 90 of the F-35 aircraft made by Lockheed Martin. The original order was for 131 jets.
That should save Italy 5bn euros ($6.6bn; £4.2bn) from the original cost of 15bn euros.
It is just one of several measures announced by the defence minister to reduce spending.
The number of military and civilian personnel will be cut by 20% and almost a third of military bases will be closed or sold over the next five years.
Italy's announcement is the latest blow for the Lockheed Martin project which has been hit by delays and rescheduled orders.
On Monday, the US Defence Department said it would delay an initial order for 179 F-35s to allow more time for testing.
The US plans to buy 2,443 of the jets at a cost of $382bn, making it the Pentagon's costliest weapons programme
Britain is the biggest international customer and it says it will not decide how many jets to buy until 2015.

Other countries in financial difficulties are likely to follow.

Btw No country wants to see its airspace invaded by UCAVs.
 

Air Force Brat

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How right you are delft and when BHO stated before the election, that he would stage drone strikes into Pakistan, I was most disgusted. Doing your dirty work with drones is somehow less than honorable, and the recent downing of our drone in Iran is all the proof most of us need to realize the fallacy of those policies. Thats the real problem when you take the pilot out of the equation, you lose that critical element of judgement, and all the more reason to hope we get the F-35 up and running before we have a complete train wreck on our hands.
 

Miragedriver

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I was going to post this in the Cutway thread, but I think it will be appreciated more here.
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Scratch

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The first F-35 has flown with an external load fitted to the jet. This was just to expand the flight envelope, no deliveries were made. Looks good, though. And in that non-stealth mode, there's quite some space to put ordnance.

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F-35 bulks up with external weapons load
By: Craig Hoyle London - 15 hours ago

Lockheed Martin's F-35 has been flown for the first time with an external weapons load, with a conventional take-off and landing (CTOL) aircraft having completed a sortie with two Raytheon AIM-9X Sidewinder air-to-air missiles beneath its outboard wing stations.
Flown from Edwards AFB in California on 16 February, the F-35A also carried a load of two Raytheon AIM-120 AMRAAM air-to-air missiles and two GBU-31 908kg (2,000lb) precision guided-bombs within its two internal weapons bays.

"No weapons were delivered during the mission," said Lockheed, which added that the sortie was focused on "further expanding the programme's flight test envelope".
The test aircraft is also pictured with four additional external weapons stations mounted under its wing, with each of these capable of carrying one 908kg bomb.

According to Lockheed, the F-35A is capable of carrying a maximum load of 8,170kg across its 10 weapons stations. When required to operate as a stealth asset, operators will fly the type with internal stores only.
The CTOL variant of the F-35 is currently expected to enter operational use with the US Air Force, plus Joint Strike Fighter partner nations Australia, Canada, Denmark, Italy, the Netherlands, Norway, and Turkey, along with early export customers Israel and Japan.
 

Air Force Brat

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Yes, I believe that same set of pictures shows a shiny metalick covering on the horizontal stabs, duct tape? Prolly aluminum or stainless tape. When we took the paint off in the shop, we covered the plexiglass windshield etc with aluminum tape, could even be titanium tape at 5000, or so a roll, that kind of would be our style. Anyway, I'm fairly certain that is the fix for the afterburner, burning up the carbon fiber horizontal stab inboard trailing edges, any comment, inside info?
 

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The first F-35 has flown with an external load fitted to the jet. This was just to expand the flight envelope, no deliveries were made. Looks good, though. And in that non-stealth mode, there's quite some space to put ordnance.

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F-35 bulks up with external weapons load
By: Craig Hoyle London - 15 hours ago

Lockheed Martin's F-35 has been flown for the first time with an external weapons load, with a conventional take-off and landing (CTOL) aircraft having completed a sortie with two Raytheon AIM-9X Sidewinder air-to-air missiles beneath its outboard wing stations.
Flown from Edwards AFB in California on 16 February, the F-35A also carried a load of two Raytheon AIM-120 AMRAAM air-to-air missiles and two GBU-31 908kg (2,000lb) precision guided-bombs within its two internal weapons bays.

"No weapons were delivered during the mission," said Lockheed, which added that the sortie was focused on "further expanding the programme's flight test envelope".
The test aircraft is also pictured with four additional external weapons stations mounted under its wing, with each of these capable of carrying one 908kg bomb.

According to Lockheed, the F-35A is capable of carrying a maximum load of 8,170kg across its 10 weapons stations. When required to operate as a stealth asset, operators will fly the type with internal stores only.
The CTOL variant of the F-35 is currently expected to enter operational use with the US Air Force, plus Joint Strike Fighter partner nations Australia, Canada, Denmark, Italy, the Netherlands, Norway, and Turkey, along with early export customers Israel and Japan.

The ability to carry external load is very important for a strike fighter. Considering that one of the planes the F-35 was going to replace was the A-10 a heavy weapons load will come in handy once air dominance has been achieved.
 
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