F-35 Joint Strike Fighter News, Videos and pics Thread

thunderchief

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re: F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Thread

Yoiu stated that the entire idea was hogwash....I simply indicated, with things that I am well aware of, that it is not.

Idea that you could set up improvised FOB for Harriers on any large patch of concrete in a few hours is a hogwash (and because you cannot do that with F-35B , it's baaaaad ;) )

In reality, you need considerable logistic operation, and it usually takes days . For both aircraft you would need landing mats . I'm no big fan of F-35, but I readily admit that F-35B outclasses Harrier in almost every aspect .
 

maus92

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re: F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Thread

The three F-35 variants have a common weapons bay.

Scroll down in the thread. There are several pictures showing the JSM fitted into the F-35 weapons bay. Like this:

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The weapons bays are common but not identical. The -Bs bays are smaller, rated for 1,000# class weapons. The lift fan system affects its volume and arrangement to some extent.
 

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A United Kingdom F-35B Lightning II flies alongside a Navy F-35C, a Marine Corps F-35B, and an Air Force F-35A from the 33rd Fighter Wing in the skies above Eglin Air Force Base, Fla. May 21. The F-35s at Eglin AFB surpassed 5,000 combined training sorties May 28, contributing more than a third of all sorties in the Department of Defense program. The 33rd FW F-35 Integrated Training Center trains F-35 A/B/C Lightning II pilots, maintainers, air battle managers and intelligence personnel for the Marine Corps, the Navy, the Air Force and, in the future, at least eight international partners. (U.S. Air Force photo/Staff Sgt. Joely M. Santiago)

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A Navy F-35C, a Marine Corps F-35B, and an Air Force F-35A Lightning II participate in a training sortie together May 21, near Eglin Air Force Base, Fla. All three variants of the fifth generation multirole stealth fighter are hosted at Eglin by the 33rd Fighter Wing. The wing’s F-35 Integrated Training Center at Eglin surpassed 5,000 combined training sorties May 28, contributing more than a third of all sorties in the Department of Defense’s F-35 program. The F-35 is designed with the stealth, electronic warfare, and multi-spectral fused sensor capabilities, which will increase lethality and survivability in a contested environment. (U.S. Air Force photos/Staff Sgt. Joely M. Santiago)

 

Jeff Head

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re: F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Thread

Idea that you could set up improvised FOB for Harriers on any large patch of concrete in a few hours is a hogwash.
But that is not what you said, Thunder.

I never indicated that it could be done in a few hours, and I have not read that on this thread. I did say they could land on a flat surface that could support their weight and jet blast and not be damaged by it. That's true too...but I never talked about the time frame to set up an FOB. Clearly, as I have shown pictorially, that takes some time. But nothing that a good company of CBs cannot accomplish in two or three days if they have the material and the weather.

What I specifically responded to was your post:

Thunderchief said:
...that talk about operating from improvised airstrips is just a hogwash

You said there that they could not operate from improvised airstrips and that was just not correct.

That's all.
 

Jeff Head

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re: F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Thread

Popeye, to date, four F-35s in formation flying together like that is the most I have seen.


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I expect as they reach IOC and then full operational capability in the future we will see much larger formations.

I have seen up to ten F-22s flying together in formation.


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I love that pic...right now, no place else on earth can you see ten operational 5th generation fighters flying together like that.
 
re: F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Thread

Jeff, Thud, after going through your posts I decided to read that "great" article again and I noticed another claim (which might be hogwash :) but which I think you didn't talk about): that something could happen to the coating of an F-35 during vertical landings off landing pads, I quote
Will hot asphalt debris stay off the fighter’s stealthy skin?
end of quote
 

Air Force Brat

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re: F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Thread

Jeff, Thud, after going through your posts I decided to read that "great" article again and I noticed another claim (which might be hogwash :) but which I think you didn't talk about): that something could happen to the coating of an F-35 during vertical landings off landing pads, I quote
Will hot asphalt debris stay off the fighter’s stealthy skin?
end of quote

Jura, anything is possible, off airport ops do include lots of extra risk, which by virtue of Jeffs engineering and operational experience, he would be the first to explain. Sometimes in order to accomplish a specific mission, you take those risks, almost any exposed component on any aircraft could be a "casualty", even the stealth coatings... so while Thunder makes lots of "authoritative" statements, Jeff just shows you the pretty pictures to refute those "ramblings". LOL
 
re: F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Thread

related to the Miragedriver's post above:

Posted on InsideDefense.com: May 29, 2014

Norway's parliament will vote on a bill in June on whether to continue with Norwegian-built Joint Strike Missile development, which is part of F-35 Block 4 follow-on development.

In the Pentagon's fiscal year 2015 budget request, which was sent to Congress in March, F-35 Block 4 follow-on development is included as a new-start effort; $14 million is requested for FY-15 and $523 million is projected across the future years defense plan. Some of these funds will be used to integrate the JSM into the F-35.

Norway is one of eight full international partners on the F-35 program, and the country's top defense contractor, Kongsberg, produces the JSM anti-surface and anti-ship munition. Like many Joint Strike Fighter program participants, Norway has insisted on some level of industrial participation, and working the missile into the aircraft's future for use both by the Norwegian air force and other militaries has become a key goal for the country's military and defense industry.

Norway has a bill in the country's Foreign Affairs and Defence Committee that has to do with the F-35 program. The F-35 program anticipates it will be subject to a floor vote in June. The bill addresses the third and final stage of JSM development and this phase will cost the government about $622 million or 3.7 billion Norwegian kroners, Anders Melheim, Norway's F-35 program director, wrote in a May 29 email to InsideDefense.com.

"The JSM has now concluded Phase II of development, and has completed its Critical Design Review (CDR,)" Melheim wrote. "We also had the Institute of Defense Analyses (IDA) in the U.S. do a review of the JSM-design, and found that it complied with [Defense Department] standards, and has sufficient technological maturity to continue development and begin preparations for integration on the F-35."

If the Norwegian parliament authorizes Phase III of the JSM, initial flight tests using a legacy aircraft may begin as early as next year, Melheim continued.

The plan is to integrate the JSM for Norway, the United States and other countries who are interested in the F-35A conventional-takeoff-and-landing variant and the F-35 carrier variant of the aircraft. The missile cannot be integrated into the F-35B short-takeoff-and-vertical-landing variant because its weapons bay is not large enough.

"Should we at a later stage decide to provide for external carriage of the JSM on the F-35, than all three variants will of course be able to carry the missile," Melheim wrote.

JSM as part of Block 4 follow-on development will be ready for use on the F-35 between 2022 and 2024, Melheim continued.

Norway anticipates that its first F-35, AM-1, will be delivered as part of the seventh lot of low-rate initial JSF production in late 2015. This aircraft, along with three subsequent fighters, will be based at Luke Air Force Base, AZ, where Norway's pilots will train, he wrote.

"The first aircraft to arrive in Norway will be from LRIP-9, and will land at Ørland Main Air Station north of Trondheim in late 2017," Melheim added.

Norwegian government officials visited Lockheed Martin's Fort Worth, TX, JSF facility two weeks ago, he wrote.

InsideDefense.com reported in January that 24 Norwegian companies have been awarded contracts tied to the F-35, either in support of manufacturing the aircraft or for weapons and ammunition. The total value of these contracts is about $355 million, he wrote.
 

Jeff Head

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re: F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Thread

I decided to read that "great" article again and I noticed another claim (which might be hogwash :) but which I think you didn't talk about ):

that something could happen to the coating of an F-35 during vertical landings off landing pads, I quote

"Will hot asphalt debris stay off the fighter’s stealthy skin?"
Well, Jura, I actually did address it...just not specifically.

They are not going to land on asphalt unless it is an absolute emergency, or unless they have prepared the surface with some device to prevent damage.

We know that normal asphalt may begin to melt under the F-35Bs exhaust. The pilots and planners also know this.

As I stated earlier, unless the surface will support it, or will not be harmed or dangerous because of the heat, they will not land there.

If an F-35B has to try it, and the asphalt melts and is blown into the air by the exhaust, of course it could stick to the aircraft.

But, as I said, unless its an absolute emergency, or they have already prepared the surface, they will not be landing there.

As shown earlier, there are plenty of places they can operate from, and they have the equipment to quickly improvise places to operate in this fashion...all of which they will take into account when they prepare to do so.

Cheers.
 
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