F-22 Raptor Thread

[Brumby]

hopefully we all noticed, in for example https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/f-22-raptor-thread.t6557/page-75#post-400415: it's anybody's guess what's inside of the classified version, anyway

(I'm sorry for repeating myself) my point is we're approximately in the middle now between when New Generation Aircraft projects started (around 2000) and when the benefits of investing half of a trillion will be reaped (after 2030)

There are a couple of studies done by the RAND corporation, a recent one being last year that outlined the continuing decline in the US's ability to maintain dominance. Specific scenarios of simulation were around a Taiwan straits conflict and in the SCS.


The main problem for the US which was highlighted by an even earlier RAND study in 2008 is simply the logistics and distance in impacting sortie rates generation under such conflict scenarios. The ever increasing numbers of ballistics missiles, longer range cruise missiles and the potential availability of J-20's in numbers by 2030, it increases the difficulties of maintaining dominance. Specifically I believe the J-20 are designed to penetrate and target refuelling tankers in any potential conflicts. The main problem of F-22/F-35 when operating in the Western Pacific is their short legged capabilities in relative terms to the operating distance.

The chart below shows the refueling tankers required for sortie generation





I would believe the recent USAF 2030 study are meant to address some of these challenges by way of new technologies and concepts. We will have to be patient in determining what those ideas might look like.

 

[Brumby]

AFB,
Your dream Raptor

credit : American Innovation blog author

 

[Air Force Brat]

AFB,
Your dream Raptor
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credit : American Innovation blog author

Thank you Master Brumby, indeed this is the bird I would immediately place back into production, I wouldn't have thought of conformal fuel tanks but they make a lot of sense!

 

[Jura The idiot]

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credit : American Innovation blog author

some fanboi?

 

[Air Force Brat]

some fanboi?

Most likely, some of it doesn't make sense, but the overall concept is very good, and the conformal tanks "might work", I really don't care much for conformal tanks, but they would be a good solution rather than re-working the whole aircraft for larger internal fuel.

 

[FORBIN]

some fanboi?

No, enough serious a concept with some good ideas but definitely unaffordable

F-22 evolution the more to left get a look enough cool

 

[Air Force Brat]

No, enough serious a concept with some good ideas but definitely unaffordable

F-22 evolution the more to left get a look enough cool
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"Nothing like the real thing baby, nothing like the REAL thing", I'm gonna pass on the Fan-Boi stuff, it really doesn't look as good as the real deal, and we know the Raptor just flat works! I am really starting to lean toward a YF-23 resurrection, evolution, could be stealthier, faster, and fly higher with those 45,000 lb thrust engines the USAF has put under development!.


That line is from a Coca Cola commercial, nothing like the real thing!
Go High, Go stinkin fast without re-heat, and move like a Ninja!

 

[kwaigonegin]

There are a couple of studies done by the RAND corporation, a recent one being last year that outlined the continuing decline in the US's ability to maintain dominance. Specific scenarios of simulation were around a Taiwan straits conflict and in the SCS.

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The main problem for the US which was highlighted by an even earlier RAND study in 2008 is simply the logistics and distance in impacting sortie rates generation under such conflict scenarios. The ever increasing numbers of ballistics missiles, longer range cruise missiles and the potential availability of J-20's in numbers by 2030, it increases the difficulties of maintaining dominance. Specifically I believe the J-20 are designed to penetrate and target refuelling tankers in any potential conflicts. The main problem of F-22/F-35 when operating in the Western Pacific is their short legged capabilities in relative terms to the operating distance.

The chart below shows the refueling tankers required for sortie generation

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I would believe the recent USAF 2030 study are meant to address some of these challenges by way of new technologies and concepts. We will have to be patient in determining what those ideas might look like.

In the event of a serious conflict, the USAF will be basing F22s in Southern Japan like Kadena and Okinawa so the issue of fuel/range and sortie generation will be mitigated. These bases will be highly protected from both aerial and sea/land based conventional strikes.

 

[Brumby]

In the event of a serious conflict, the USAF will be basing F22s in Southern Japan like Kadena and Okinawa so the issue of fuel/range and sortie generation will be mitigated. These bases will be highly protected from both aerial and sea/land based conventional strikes.

In the event of a conflict, the Kadena airbase will obviously be a prime target. The latest RAND study analysis indicates that China would be able to close Kadena to fighter operations in a Taiwan scenario for four to ten days in 2010 and up to 16-43 days by 2017. The analysis is based on a bunch of assumptions that would be highly debatable, inappropriate for discussions and I would not labor on it.

 

[FORBIN]

"Nothing like the real thing baby, nothing like the REAL thing", I'm gonna pass on the Fan-Boi stuff, it really doesn't look as good as the real deal, and we know the Raptor just flat works! !

Why Bro

NB : i don' t know if he have do but a serious blogger have post it, so no comparison with Chinese fan boys... i have always see silly things for Chinese weapons never for other countries, sometimes view for futur equipments not exact ofc but not anything.