F-22 Raptor 5th Generation Stealth Fighter

Re: F-22 Raptor: The New Threat to the PLAAF

MIGleader said:

Are you sure this article is reliable? It said an su-27 could be bought for $8 million dollars a piece, quite unbelievable. The fc-1 is 15 million. The U.s Should buy and liscence produce flankers? What kind of crap is that? Who wrote that article anyways?

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My guess is that those are used flankers without the advance radar, perhaps from africa or a former eastern block nation. Did the former Warsaw Pact nations have Flankers? I know they have Fulcrums.

Re: F-22 Raptor: The New Threat to the PLAAF

Not many. Ukraine had a number of them. i think kazhakistan traded in some of it;s tu-95's in exchange for some flankers from russia. The N0001E still is useful. It has a range of some 110km, and cna track 10 targets. Regardless, I cannot imagine a flanker costing only 8 million. If that is the case, China should immediately buy 100 of them and upgrade them later with indigenous radars and engines.

Re: F-22 Raptor: The New Threat to the PLAAF

renmin said:

(hey, if a Chinese SAM can take out a stealthy global hawk, why not a raptor?)

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When did this happen? Or did it happen? I would like to know.

The F-22 is certainly going to be a great challenge to the Plaaf. However, the PLAAF would be better served by developing technology to take out the f-35, as it will form the backbone of US air capabilities in the coming years.
The F-22 is not useable from a carrier so it does not offer as much deployable capability. The PLAAF would be facing more f-35s than f-22s, so they constitute a bigger threat. Also, if I'm not mistaken, the F-35 doesn't have as many capabilities as the F-22 so it would be eaisier to kill. The Chinese would be able to do more damage that way.

Re: F-22 Raptor: The New Threat to the PLAAF

cabbageman said:

Biggest operational threat to PLA isn't F-22A, but B-2. In the future, it would be the UCAV.

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Yes, it's true that the B-2 is more of a threat to the ground based PLA than the F-22 which can only carry a measly pair of JDAMs. However, as the OP stated, the F-22 is a big threat to the PLAAF. There's a big difference in being a threat to ground forces and being a threat to other aircraft.

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whether b2 or f22 is a bigger threat really depends on the efficiency of chinese long wavelength radar network, their ability to protect that network from cruise missile attacks and it depends on the efficiency of ground based mobile irst sensor network.

If, indeed, it will prove quite possible to detect a B2 or a F22 (even if only after it has flown over your head) then vectoring lots of planes in its general area will make a difference. B2 would be severely threatened since it has no defenses whereas destroying F22 strike group would be a very hard feat to pull off. It would really depend on F22's ability to run away once it has depleted its weapons, which would depend on the depth of the strike over chinese land.

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tphuang said:

There are reasons why this has never been a good idea. At least helicopter AEWs have more space for processors, consoles and operators, I don't know why anyone would still think about using a perfectly good air superiority fighter.

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In iran -iraq war, iranian AF turn there F-14 into a mini AWACS.
interesting concept, during the 70's sweden also have similiar idea, pod mounted radar carry under the viggen jetfighter,but eventually abandone.
lately USAF has similiar plan to intalls side mounted radar for F-22 raptor.this turn the F-22 into a "mini-aWACS"-

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challenge said:

In iran -iraq war, iranian AF turn there F-14 into a mini AWACS.
interesting concept, during the 70's sweden also have similiar idea, pod mounted radar carry under the viggen jetfighter,but eventually abandone.
lately USAF has similiar plan to intalls side mounted radar for F-22 raptor.this turn the F-22 into a "mini-aWACS"-

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F-22 doesn't need any add ons to function as a mini AWACS. It already functions as a mini AWACS and a mini Rivet Joint. It's radar and passive systems allow a very good picture of the battle space and it correlates data from all the other aircraft in the battle into a coherent picture of the battle space, relaying this back to the other aircraft through LINK 16. It's ESM/ECM suite can sense threat emitters in every direction, classify them and come up with a countermeasure for each while passing this information to other aircraft in the battle.

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Lets not spread disinformation. While the current f-22 can see a lot with its radar and other passive sensors and gather much of that info and even share it between a flight of its fellow wingmen, other raptors, it CAN NOT share any of that info with other units.

I am sure in the future that will be changed as even now there is some development work on new gen of datalinks which would be implemented on the raptors, the current crop has only a link 16 receiver, but it can't send any info. It can send voice messages and even short text messages to other non-raptor units, but that's it.

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Actually, using Flankers variant for AWACS is a brilliant solution.

1. It neatly solves the problem of getting the plane off the carrier -- ramp or catapult.
2. Flankers are known for large fuel tanks. If it is not enough, it can launch from carrier with less than full tanks AND empty drop tanks -- and use buddy store to refuel those tanks with air to air refueling.
3. The survivability will be greater, as it has the speed to run away.
4. Lack of on-board crew controllers is not an issue, as long as it can transmit the data back to carrier using sat-link. The space or controllers will not be an issue on the carrier.

Another similar solution would be a UAV, but that would involve more engineering development.

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Totoro said:

Lets not spread disinformation. While the current f-22 can see a lot with its radar and other passive sensors and gather much of that info and even share it between a flight of its fellow wingmen, other raptors, it CAN NOT share any of that info with other units.

I am sure in the future that will be changed as even now there is some development work on new gen of datalinks which would be implemented on the raptors, the current crop has only a link 16 receiver, but it can't send any info. It can send voice messages and even short text messages to other non-raptor units, but that's it.

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Find out what MALD is. The Raptor is not a full blown AWACS, but is a major node in a new type of distributed command and control system. The F-22 has a significantly greater altitude than any other fighter, giving it a sanctuary from other fighters from which it can operate as a sort of mini-AWACS. The F-35 builds on the F-22 in that the F-35 will be a command node for several robotic systems operating at the same time. Some of these robotic systems are sensors and others will be UCAV's of various types.