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Re: European armed forces
Not sure if I post this in the correct topic (my apologies if I didn't). I'll also post this entry in the Chinese Military and News topic.
I just read in a Dutch newspaper that the Dutch units that will be deployed to Mali next year will be protected by units of the PLA.
Here's a short translation:
It says that in the last week, the Dutch commander of the armed forces had a meeting with its counterpart Fang Fenghui in which they talked about cooperation in medical, logistical areas and also talked about "force protection". The article points out that the Chinese are new to combat duties as past deployments of the PLA mainly consisted of engineers and other support personel.
The Dutch will share a camp with the Chinese in Gao where the Dutch will deploy 4 Apache gunships.
The article also says that the Dutch will exchange personel with China with regards to training and already are cooperating with China on maritime field to combat piracy in the Indian Ocean.
Source:
Question:
Is there any news about this deployment published by the Ministry of Defence in China? For example, what units will they be sending?
Not sure if I post this in the correct topic (my apologies if I didn't). I'll also post this entry in the Chinese Military and News topic.
I just read in a Dutch newspaper that the Dutch units that will be deployed to Mali next year will be protected by units of the PLA.
Here's a short translation:
It says that in the last week, the Dutch commander of the armed forces had a meeting with its counterpart Fang Fenghui in which they talked about cooperation in medical, logistical areas and also talked about "force protection". The article points out that the Chinese are new to combat duties as past deployments of the PLA mainly consisted of engineers and other support personel.
The Dutch will share a camp with the Chinese in Gao where the Dutch will deploy 4 Apache gunships.
The article also says that the Dutch will exchange personel with China with regards to training and already are cooperating with China on maritime field to combat piracy in the Indian Ocean.
Source:
Question:
Is there any news about this deployment published by the Ministry of Defence in China? For example, what units will they be sending?
TerraN_EmpirE
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Re: European armed forces
That's a DDG sized vessel.
2 x RAM is good for close in AAW defense, but they will have no other AAW defense and that is indeed light for a vessel this size,
8 x SSM (Harpoons)
1 x 127mm gun
2 x 27mm autocannons
5 x 12.7 mm R/C machine guns turrets
2 x 12.7 mm Machine guns
2 x ASW helos
It's a stealthy looking vessel, and it has good gun armament and decent anti-surface, but completely lacking in MR to LR AAW. It does have a significant RHIB launch capabilities (4 boats) so I guess there are good SPECOPs capabilities.
The four Bremen class, though half as large and sprouting only a 76mm main gun, also have the two RAM launchers but also carried a Sea Sparrow launcher that did have MR AAW capabilities, albeit only eight ready missiles. But there were also eight Bremen and they will be replaced by these four. IMHO, in terms of force structure, even thought the new FFGs are much more stealthy and larger, they traded down in fire power and defense.
Now the F-124 Sachsen class, are very decent AAW vessels and similarly armed (except again, a 76mm main gun), but two RAM launchers and a 32 cell MK-41 VLS for 24 SM II Block IIIA missiles and 32 ESSM missiles. But the Sachsen displace 5,800 tons...1,500 tons less than these new F-125s.
Perhaps they will build more F-125s at a later date with an AAW centric version.
Wow! Are they really 7,200 tons?
That's a DDG sized vessel.
2 x RAM is good for close in AAW defense, but they will have no other AAW defense and that is indeed light for a vessel this size,
8 x SSM (Harpoons)
1 x 127mm gun
2 x 27mm autocannons
5 x 12.7 mm R/C machine guns turrets
2 x 12.7 mm Machine guns
2 x ASW helos
It's a stealthy looking vessel, and it has good gun armament and decent anti-surface, but completely lacking in MR to LR AAW. It does have a significant RHIB launch capabilities (4 boats) so I guess there are good SPECOPs capabilities.
The four Bremen class, though half as large and sprouting only a 76mm main gun, also have the two RAM launchers but also carried a Sea Sparrow launcher that did have MR AAW capabilities, albeit only eight ready missiles. But there were also eight Bremen and they will be replaced by these four. IMHO, in terms of force structure, even thought the new FFGs are much more stealthy and larger, they traded down in fire power and defense.
Now the F-124 Sachsen class, are very decent AAW vessels and similarly armed (except again, a 76mm main gun), but two RAM launchers and a 32 cell MK-41 VLS for 24 SM II Block IIIA missiles and 32 ESSM missiles. But the Sachsen displace 5,800 tons...1,500 tons less than these new F-125s.
Perhaps they will build more F-125s at a later date with an AAW centric version.
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