Dizasta1
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That, my dear brother, is a very good question!!
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That, my dear brother, is a very good question!!
Jura The idiot
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kwaigonegin
Colonel
Probably delivering crude oil to the port...
Now this!...follow the link below for the full story in the headline.
By PAUL SONNE, DAN LAMOTHE | The Washington Post | Published: November 17, 2018
The U.S. Navy expects one of its officers to be questioned as part of an investigation into the collision of a Norwegian warship and a commercial oil tanker this month in one of the Scandinavian nation's fjords.
The American officer, who has not been identified, was onboard the Norwegian navy frigate as part of a military personnel exchange, according to U.S. and Norwegian officials. The sailor's role on the ship remains unclear.
The Nov. 8 incident ultimately sank the 439-foot Norwegian warship and left several people injured.
Norwegian naval officers beached the vessel - the KNM Helge Ingstad - in an attempt to save it, but the frigate sank five days later after the cables holding it in place snapped. The tanker it struck, the Sola TS, was nearly twice its size at 820 feet. It suffered only minor damage.
"The U.S. Navy has an officer assigned to the Personnel Exchange Program (PEP) with Norway as part of the crew of the KNM Helge Ingstad," Cmdr. Kyle Raines, a spokesman for the U.S. Navy's 6th Fleet, said in a statement. "This program exchanges personnel from various military components to foreign countries to enhance interoperability with partner navies and services. The concept was born out of the need for partners and allies to share ideas and build relationships."
Raines declined to identify the American officer by name, citing privacy interests. He said the U.S. Navy is supporting the Norwegian investigation.
Traditionally, investigators interview all officers onboard military ships involved in collisions, so the U.S. Navy expects the American officer to be questioned as well, officials said.
Ann Kristin Salbuvik, an official at the Norwegian defense ministry, confirmed that an American officer was onboard the ship but declined to specify the officer's duties.
kwaigonegin
Colonel
Depends on what his role was or where he was on the frigate. If he was on the bridge when the collision occured then they would likely invite him over for 'tea'.
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Equation
Lieutenant General
It is standard procedure as the investigation team will of course question ALL of those on board the ship anyway.
All officers aboard should be interviewed & senior enlisted. And anyone,officer or enlisted, who was on watch when the incident occured.
kwaigonegin
Colonel
Based on my own research EVERYONE on that bridge and on watch will be invited to 'tea' for sure.
The KNM Helge Ingstad was steaming around the coastal fjords conducting navigation and shiphandling training. The tanker was coming out of the oil terminal near Bergen, going the same course/speed/track as any number of ships that do that every week on a predictable course exiting the bay.
I believe the KNM Helge Ingstad continue to maneuver inside the shipping lane because they wanted to stay within safe waters.
Unlike the tanker which is coursing on a known path, the frigate is obviously also much more maneuverable than a giant tanker not to mentioned conducting in waters than is alien to her regular operations.
To me it's akin to driving your car up to the front of a firehouse but when a fire truck come out and crashed into you, the liability and onus is on you not him.
Rule 2 of COLREGS highlights the fact that you are responsble for your own actions
You are the one who has to make the immediate decision on what to do in order to comply with the rules.
Your ship’s safety management system may tell you when to call the master
or what to do if visibility reduces, but it is Rule 2 that makes you responsibleto your fellow crew and to the ships around you.
Your responsibility is not only to follow the COLREGs – you are also responsible
for doing everything necessary to avoid the risk of collision and the dangers of navigation.
Rule 2(a) requires you to follow both the rules and ‘the ordinary practice
of seamen’. This means that you must always use common sense.
Rule 2(b) is often misunderstood so read it carefully. It only allows you to
depart from the rules if that is the only way to avoid an immediate danger.
But, in almost every situation, it is the proper application of the rules that
will keep you out of that danger. Rule 2(b) is never a justification for not
following the rules properly.
The KNM Helge Ingstad was steaming around the coastal fjords conducting navigation and shiphandling training. The tanker was coming out of the oil terminal near Bergen, going the same course/speed/track as any number of ships that do that every week on a predictable course exiting the bay.
I believe the KNM Helge Ingstad continue to maneuver inside the shipping lane because they wanted to stay within safe waters.
Unlike the tanker which is coursing on a known path, the frigate is obviously also much more maneuverable than a giant tanker not to mentioned conducting in waters than is alien to her regular operations.
To me it's akin to driving your car up to the front of a firehouse but when a fire truck come out and crashed into you, the liability and onus is on you not him.
Rule 2 of COLREGS highlights the fact that you are responsble for your own actions
You are the one who has to make the immediate decision on what to do in order to comply with the rules.
Your ship’s safety management system may tell you when to call the master
or what to do if visibility reduces, but it is Rule 2 that makes you responsibleto your fellow crew and to the ships around you.
Your responsibility is not only to follow the COLREGs – you are also responsible
for doing everything necessary to avoid the risk of collision and the dangers of navigation.
Rule 2(a) requires you to follow both the rules and ‘the ordinary practice
of seamen’. This means that you must always use common sense.
Rule 2(b) is often misunderstood so read it carefully. It only allows you to
depart from the rules if that is the only way to avoid an immediate danger.
But, in almost every situation, it is the proper application of the rules that
will keep you out of that danger. Rule 2(b) is never a justification for not
following the rules properly.
Jura The idiot
General
Nov 14, 2018
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and the story goes on as Early report blames confused watchstanders, possible design flaws for Norway’s sunken frigatenow the story is
hopes to raise sunken INGSTAD in 3 weeks, place the damaged ship on a barge and get her to Haakonsvern naval base near Bergen for evaluation. A "very demanding" salvage challenge at that rate.
perhaps the most interesting is
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