Espionage involving China
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TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
The move is really I think to try and go to a PRC developed OS. the CCP has been pushing hard on Foreign investors in China, Particularly tech makers. Claiming they are "Compromised" is just a Excuse for them to do what they were going to do anyway, try and force them form the PRC markets in favor of indigenous makers.
solarz
Brigadier
Talks about an indigenous OS is unrealistic. The problem with OS is not in building it, but in making it compatible with software that people want to use.
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
Don't be so sold about that Solarz, Although unlikely to succeed widely and internationally there are already specialized OS in use based on Lunix variants (the same as Android) for use by Governments. as Time goes by and Chinese makers push more and more they gain wider control over the Chinese Market, Shear force of numbers can force compliance. Today for Mobile OS there is Apple and Android as the top two for lesser you have Windows Mobile and the last Vestiges of Blackberry. Apple and Blackberry started out as small forces. Blackberry was the second "Smart"Phone but the First Successful one it flooded the market at it's heart the Blackberry OS which once dominated. then Came the Apple Iphone. And with it Apple took center stage.
If the Chinese CCP can regulate and push the Foreign makers to the minority, and pump up a Indigenous then like they did with Baidu Yi vs Google they can force there own OS. and the Apps will come.
But I digress, as in this case your own story points out these are government computers, so the number of apps needed is fare fewer and far more specialized and conservative then those needed on a personal or Commercial.
If the Chinese CCP can regulate and push the Foreign makers to the minority, and pump up a Indigenous then like they did with Baidu Yi vs Google they can force there own OS. and the Apps will come.
But I digress, as in this case your own story points out these are government computers, so the number of apps needed is fare fewer and far more specialized and conservative then those needed on a personal or Commercial.
plawolf
Lieutenant General
The very concept of 'Economic espionage' is just an imaginary and totally fictitious line drawn arbitrarily in the sand, done so for no other purpose than to seperate what the US does and what China does.
If China made a breakthrough in fusion, stealth, supercomputing or any other field which gives China a huge leg up on the US tomorrow, and the US obtained that information. Who here thinks for even a second the US wouldn't pass that information on to private US commercial contractors, and demand they reverse engineer it to erase China's lead?
Even then the charge of economic espionage as the Americans define it rings hollow since even the mighty US espionge machine could not find a single example where any Chinese company has benefitted in any way from allegedly stolen US data.
It would not surprise me if this DOJ move was made for domestic political reasons, against the wishes of the likes of the White House and Pentagon, and America's national interest, as it has massively set back all areas of cooperation between China and the US, most notibly probably in the field of direct military-to-military links that the US has been so keen to foster.
Its all empty theatrics and petty posturing, and behaviour unbecoming of a great power, never mind the self-appointed leader of the world.
If China made a breakthrough in fusion, stealth, supercomputing or any other field which gives China a huge leg up on the US tomorrow, and the US obtained that information. Who here thinks for even a second the US wouldn't pass that information on to private US commercial contractors, and demand they reverse engineer it to erase China's lead?
Even then the charge of economic espionage as the Americans define it rings hollow since even the mighty US espionge machine could not find a single example where any Chinese company has benefitted in any way from allegedly stolen US data.
It would not surprise me if this DOJ move was made for domestic political reasons, against the wishes of the likes of the White House and Pentagon, and America's national interest, as it has massively set back all areas of cooperation between China and the US, most notibly probably in the field of direct military-to-military links that the US has been so keen to foster.
Its all empty theatrics and petty posturing, and behaviour unbecoming of a great power, never mind the self-appointed leader of the world.
the thing is America always abuses its techs when it got an edge over its adversaries, it takes it as a privilege. were there no missiles to shoot it down, the U-2 would have been flying over China and Russia today.
the US has certainly started the hacking business, it didn't know others could hack back. now it wants to set rules in the cyberspace, and the cyberspace, like ether space, is hard to police.
the US has certainly started the hacking business, it didn't know others could hack back. now it wants to set rules in the cyberspace, and the cyberspace, like ether space, is hard to police.
OT
Some twenty years ago "everyone" used Wordperfect. Then Microsoft gave away MSWord with its Windows system so "everyone" switched to MSWord and computer teaching in many schools in the world means teaching Microsoft programs. When China specifies no Windows8 it will mean that Chinese schools will teach Red Flag Linux and the office software the government prefers. It then makes sense for Chinese companies to use the same OS and software and not buy Microsoft anymore. Chinese hardware producers might produce computers optimized for Linux for use within China but then also export them to developing countries complete with Linux and free software. This will damage not just Microsoft but also Intel. It's a kind of industrial policy.
solarz
Brigadier
There's a reason Linux has been around for decades, but hasn't gone mainstream yet. Linux is designed for "geeks", not everyday users. It's unrealistic to just expect another OS to replace Windows, and the Chinese have not gone that route. They're probably still sticking with XP and Windows 7.
Re: World News Thread & Breaking News!!
US business in China will be retaliated. This smells so fabricated and so non standard protocol between 2 countries.
US business in China will be retaliated. This smells so fabricated and so non standard protocol between 2 countries.