East China Sea Air Defense ID Zone

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Jeff Head

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Japanese fighters and a patrol plane followed on Nov. 28.

"Japanese fighters and a patrol plane followed on Nov. 28."

"The South Korean government also said that it had flown surveillance aircraft through the zone on Wednesday without alerting Beijing, a flight that Chinese officials said that they had monitored. Like Japan, South Korea claims sovereignty over territory in the zone, but enjoys warmer ties with Beijing than Japan does."
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This is major news...and not too surprising...but we need to see the documentation of it.

My guess is that if it was a Japanese patrol plane and two fighters that they flew a patrol around the islands in question.

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South Korea has a claim on diaoyu islands? News to me
There is an island (actually it never breaks the surface so it is not even really an island) on the northern end of the zone that is disputed by China and South Korea, separate from the Japanese dispute. The zone was formed to include both.
 
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South Korea has a claim on diaoyu islands? News to me

South Korea claim some submerged rocks as an 'island' for its EEZ, which China does not recognised as an island.
 

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This is major news...and not too surprising...but we need to see the documentation of it.

My guess is that if it was a Japanese patrol plane and two fighters that they flew a patrol around the islands in question.

There is an island on the northern end of the zone that is disputed by China and South Korea, separate from the Japanese dispute. The zone was formed to include both.

Reuters also reports this. Not the most specific / best informed source though.

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UPIBeta Top News said:
BEIJING, Nov. 28 (UPI) -- A Japanese official Thursday said his country sent military jets into the East China Sea over China's disputed air defense identification zone, or ADIZ.
China established the ADIZ Saturday and said it would police all aircraft flying through the zone and demanded all traffic entering the area file flight plans with China first.

In opposition to China's mandate, the United States earlier this week flew two unarmed Air Force B-52 bombers over the East China Sea with the pilots not identifying themselves when entering the disputed airspace as required by China.

South Korea followed suit Wednesday by flying surveillance aircraft through the area without alerting Chinese officials, The New York Times reported.

Chief Cabinet Secretary Yoshihide Suga Thursday revealed Japan also sent military planes over the ADIZ, but he did not say when the flyover occurred, The Times reported.

The U.S. action drew a bland response from the Chinese defense ministry, which said it "monitored" the B-52 flights but announced no action. Suga said there was no Chinese response to Japan's flyover, The Times reported.

On Thursday, the Global Times, part of the Chinese Communist party mouthpiece People's Daily, said the United States, with its "defiance" of the ADIZ, had gained an "upper hand" and plunged "China into a relatively passive situation."

The Global Times also said Tokyo and Washington were unlikely to accept China's ADIZ.

South Korea's Yonhap News cited sources Thursday saying Vice Defense Minister Baek Seung-joo demanded China modify the ADIZ. The minister also said South Korea would not recognize the Chinese zone because it was set up without any prior consultations with his country.

The Chinese zone also covers the Japanese-controlled Senkaku Islands in the East China Sea, which China also claims. The islands, which China calls Diaoyu Islands, remains a bitter territorial dispute between the two countries.

Taiwan also claims the Senkaku Islands, calling them as Diaoyutais.

China has never given up its sovereign claim on Taiwan and seeks eventual reunification even though the two have had separate governments.

China's official Xinhua New Agency Thursday quoted a mainland spokesman saying the ADIZ is in line with the interests of both sides of the Taiwan Strait.

Fan Liqing, of China's Taiwan Affairs Office, said: "Both sides of the Strait are of one family, and maintaining the fundamental interests of the Chinese nation is in line with the common welfare across the Strait."

However, the Taipei Times quoted Lee Chia-fei, a spokeswoman for Taiwanese President Ma Ying-jeou, saying Taiwan would continue to defend its sovereign claim over the disputed Diaoyutais (Senkaku) islands.

"The government defends our sovereignty over the islands and continues to protect fishing in the region," she said.

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Japanese Times said:
Defying China’s announcement it was creating an air defense identification zone in the East China Sea, aircraft of the Self-Defense Forces and Japan Coast Guard have continued flying into the zone without informing Beijing ahead of time, Chief Cabinet Secretary Yoshihide Suga said Thursday.

Suga didn’t elaborate, but he did say Japan detected no reaction from China while the operations were under way.

“Japan has conducted patrol activities by flexibly mobilizing P-3Cs (anti-submarine airplanes) and destroyers around Japan, including the East China Sea. We have continued our patrolling activities just as we have done before China set up its ADIZ” last week, Suga said.

“We will never change this for the sake of China,” he stressed.

The U.S. has also expressed deep concern about the Chinese move, sending two unarmed B-52 strategic bombers through the zone without prior notice, despite China’s demand that it be told of plans to fly military aircraft there.

Japan is “firmly determined to defend its territorial land, sea and air space” against China’s attempt to change the status quo by coercion, Suga said.

Japan and the U.S. have said they will ignore China’s declaration of the zone and the rules it is trying to impose there.

China has said it may take “defensive measures” against violations.

Tokyo and Washington both say the ADIZ violates the freedom of air traffic over the high seas as established by international law. South Korea has also expressed its displeasure.

Earlier in the day, Suga met U.S. Ambassador Caroline Kennedy for the first time.

During their meeting in the prime minister’s office, they agreed that the U.S. and Japan will “more closely cooperate with each other” in dealing with issues related to China’s new ADIZ, according to Suga.

Suga told Kennedy that China’s attempt to establish the air zone is “very dangerous,” according to government officials.
 

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Reuters also reports this. Not the most specific / best informed source though.

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I found this exchange, and the Chinese reply pretty humorous towards the end of the Reuters report...pretty savvy and to the point on the Chinese side, yet does reveal the distinction between the two zones.

Reuters said:
Asked if China would heed Japanese calls to revoke the air defence zone, China's Defence Ministry spokesman Yang Yujun said Tokyo had implemented its own zone in 1969 and blamed it for raising tensions with its double standards.

"Japan consistently blames others and smears the name of other countries but never examines its own conduct," Yang said in a statement posted on the ministry's website after a press briefing that was closed to foreign reporters.

"If they want it revoked, then we would ask that Japan first revoke its own air defence identification zone and China will reconsider it after 44 years," Yang said.

Japan says it only requires planes headed for its territorial air space to notify authorities, not those merely transiting through its air defence identification zone.
 

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I wonder if this may have to do with recent reorganization of the China's NSC and that Xi may have given the hawks and generals a longer lease for supporting the restructuring. This kind of move could be a sort of I'll let you see how far you can go but don't say "I didn't tell you so"
 

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This is great news, the more news coming out regarding South Korea, Japan or USA ignoring China ADIZ rules, the more convenient later on for China to do the same. I think this is one of the advantages of setting up ADIZ for China. Let's show to the world how hypocrite Americans and their allies are.

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gullible

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This is great news, the more news coming out regarding South Korea, Japan or USA ignoring China ADIZ rules, the more convenient later on for China to do the same. I think this is one of the advantages of setting up ADIZ for China. Let's show to the world how hypocrite Americans and their allies are.

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so according to your theory, china may send jets to her neighbours' adiz & if met with interceptionsc may she respond by sending her jet to intercept them?
 
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