solarz
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Despite what western media says, the Chinese government does not actually tell its media what to write. That article is in poor taste, but it came from the editorial offices of that newspaper, not from the offices of the government.
East China Sea Air Defense ID Zone
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Despite what western media says, the Chinese government does not actually tell its media what to write. That article is in poor taste, but it came from the editorial offices of that newspaper, not from the offices of the government.
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Guys, all this talk about smog, media ownership, press propoganda, and comparing the media and propoganda of various countries has gotten completely off topic. Lets get back to the Chinese ADIZ and not venture into waters like this that will rile people up and get them ideologically comparing nations, arguing, flame baiting, and then having a flame war over such things.
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Blackstone
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FarkTypeSoldier
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OK guys... Let us shift from party schools back to East Sea ADIZ...
Wooo Whoooo... My fav military analyst programme has a temparory changed into a lady host
[video=youtube;CC267YDw73c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CC267YDw73c[/video]
Today's topic is about how J-10 could affect the region's air projections towards hostile opponents.
Programme starts by introducing the following:
A) J-15 is entering mass production phase. Onboard weapon testings and firing at sea could be expected once the first production units are on CV-16's deck. Senior Col. Du Wenlong comments that J-15 could have a model that could further developed into a catupult launch model for the future China's CATOBAR carrier;
B) HMS "Daring" DDG visits China's Shanghai port, berthing besides PLAN 530 "Xuzhou" FFG after exercise with Singapore, Australia, Malaysia & New Zealand as well as Phillipines aid . It also introduces some facts and specs about HMS "Daring".
Programme then goes into main topic. Some speculations about the Su-35 is that a deal might be reached in 2014 according to a Russian source. Although Su-35 does not have stealth capabilities, but it could maintain total air superiority with the Su-35. However, Su-35 would not be used in the East Sea, but rather in South Sea. The total units could be more than 48 units of Su-35.
The guest today is Mr Xu Guangyu, a retired MG of the PLA. With regards to the J-10, Mr Xu shares his views:
1) J-10 could affect the region's in 2 directions;
a) The main opponent is China's eastern neighbour whose main fighters are F-15J. Both are comparable fighters. J-10 is light with 19 ton thrust and a 7 ton payload. F-15J is quite heavy with a 30 ton thrust and 8 ton payload. When its comes to manvoeurability, seems J-10 have the upper hand on being lighter and more agile than the F-15J.
b) Second advantage is than J-10 units have airbases in the eastern coast of China, its combat radius with air-refuelling could cover whole of the ECS. The neighbour on the other hand could scamble fighters from Okinawa air bases, with limited numbers of units. Further inland, F-15Js from bases in Kyushu and Shikoku as well as the main island might be a bit too far for its fighters to reach.
2) China's stance on its ADIZ and military doctine has always been "后发制人" - means "gain mastery by striking only after the enemy has struck". When hostile planes approaches, patrolling fighters would then move forward and towards hostile side for ID and its intentions. When executing missions, China has always (mainly) been using non-military surveillance planes first, whereas its neighbour are utilising military aircrafts for patrolling purposes. When this non-military are being threatened by military aircrafts, the J-10 would be there to ID the hostile side and evasive actions when necessary.
Then programme switches to a J-10 twin seater during the AVIC 5th anniversary open house with introduction by the J-10 Assistant Chief Designer. He roughly introduces the twin seat model. During peace time training, the trainee sits in front and trainer sits behind. During mission, the front pilot flies and navigates the bird while the back pilot controls the bird's weapon. Some advance weaponary and external structures are also being mentioned.
The PLAAF "Ba Yi" Aerobatics team performances during the Moscow Aviation Show this year are shown.
On how aerobatics movements of the J-10 could be applied to actual air combat, Mr Xu shares:
3) During actual air combat, these high manvouerability actions are applied to dodge tail-coming missiles and evade radar locking during dogfights;
4) The excellent frame design contributes to these high manvouer actions are vital and the J-10 pilots are confident in this aircraft.
Programme later switches to introduce F-15J. Japan have around 202 units of F-15J and is similar to early productions of US versions of F-15. JSDAF upgrades its fleet of F-15J yearly to up its capabilties to F-15K but due to fund constrains, only a few units could be upgraded yearly.
On F15J vs J-10, Mr Xu shares that both have its own pros and cons; modern air battles shifts from traditional air war into information warfare, how well do one side gains advantage are vital with its air information data being shared from AWACS to its fighters.
The programme ends by an article from the "日本军事研究杂志" (Japan Military Analyst Magazine???) on 2013 May states that .
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The guest analyst shares his views by summarizes the article article on 2013 May that hypothesized scenario could only happens when China attack first and the neighbour scambles its fighters reveals several hidden political agenda:
A) A future conflict between the two neighbours are the result from Chinese side and China has to 'bear' all resulting responsiblities;
B) A paralysed air defense scenario means telling the Japanese public (and others) and US that its current air-defenses are limited and need a change in advance fighters to boost its air-defenses capabilties.
Wooo Whoooo... My fav military analyst programme has a temparory changed into a lady host
[video=youtube;CC267YDw73c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CC267YDw73c[/video]
Today's topic is about how J-10 could affect the region's air projections towards hostile opponents.
Programme starts by introducing the following:
A) J-15 is entering mass production phase. Onboard weapon testings and firing at sea could be expected once the first production units are on CV-16's deck. Senior Col. Du Wenlong comments that J-15 could have a model that could further developed into a catupult launch model for the future China's CATOBAR carrier;
B) HMS "Daring" DDG visits China's Shanghai port, berthing besides PLAN 530 "Xuzhou" FFG after exercise with Singapore, Australia, Malaysia & New Zealand as well as Phillipines aid . It also introduces some facts and specs about HMS "Daring".
Programme then goes into main topic. Some speculations about the Su-35 is that a deal might be reached in 2014 according to a Russian source. Although Su-35 does not have stealth capabilities, but it could maintain total air superiority with the Su-35. However, Su-35 would not be used in the East Sea, but rather in South Sea. The total units could be more than 48 units of Su-35.
The guest today is Mr Xu Guangyu, a retired MG of the PLA. With regards to the J-10, Mr Xu shares his views:
1) J-10 could affect the region's in 2 directions;
a) The main opponent is China's eastern neighbour whose main fighters are F-15J. Both are comparable fighters. J-10 is light with 19 ton thrust and a 7 ton payload. F-15J is quite heavy with a 30 ton thrust and 8 ton payload. When its comes to manvoeurability, seems J-10 have the upper hand on being lighter and more agile than the F-15J.
b) Second advantage is than J-10 units have airbases in the eastern coast of China, its combat radius with air-refuelling could cover whole of the ECS. The neighbour on the other hand could scamble fighters from Okinawa air bases, with limited numbers of units. Further inland, F-15Js from bases in Kyushu and Shikoku as well as the main island might be a bit too far for its fighters to reach.
2) China's stance on its ADIZ and military doctine has always been "后发制人" - means "gain mastery by striking only after the enemy has struck". When hostile planes approaches, patrolling fighters would then move forward and towards hostile side for ID and its intentions. When executing missions, China has always (mainly) been using non-military surveillance planes first, whereas its neighbour are utilising military aircrafts for patrolling purposes. When this non-military are being threatened by military aircrafts, the J-10 would be there to ID the hostile side and evasive actions when necessary.
Then programme switches to a J-10 twin seater during the AVIC 5th anniversary open house with introduction by the J-10 Assistant Chief Designer. He roughly introduces the twin seat model. During peace time training, the trainee sits in front and trainer sits behind. During mission, the front pilot flies and navigates the bird while the back pilot controls the bird's weapon. Some advance weaponary and external structures are also being mentioned.
The PLAAF "Ba Yi" Aerobatics team performances during the Moscow Aviation Show this year are shown.
On how aerobatics movements of the J-10 could be applied to actual air combat, Mr Xu shares:
3) During actual air combat, these high manvouerability actions are applied to dodge tail-coming missiles and evade radar locking during dogfights;
4) The excellent frame design contributes to these high manvouer actions are vital and the J-10 pilots are confident in this aircraft.
Programme later switches to introduce F-15J. Japan have around 202 units of F-15J and is similar to early productions of US versions of F-15. JSDAF upgrades its fleet of F-15J yearly to up its capabilties to F-15K but due to fund constrains, only a few units could be upgraded yearly.
On F15J vs J-10, Mr Xu shares that both have its own pros and cons; modern air battles shifts from traditional air war into information warfare, how well do one side gains advantage are vital with its air information data being shared from AWACS to its fighters.
The programme ends by an article from the "日本军事研究杂志" (Japan Military Analyst Magazine???) on 2013 May states that .
.
The guest analyst shares his views by summarizes the article article on 2013 May that hypothesized scenario could only happens when China attack first and the neighbour scambles its fighters reveals several hidden political agenda:
A) A future conflict between the two neighbours are the result from Chinese side and China has to 'bear' all resulting responsiblities;
B) A paralysed air defense scenario means telling the Japanese public (and others) and US that its current air-defenses are limited and need a change in advance fighters to boost its air-defenses capabilties.
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This was a sales job for a advocate of more defense spending.
You can't assume china can sortie that many fighters at same time and properly control them.
not to mention the limited time on station at extended range. and limited inflight refuel capability for PLAAF.
first shot to gain local air superiority or not in first 12 hours...
unless china is willing to carry out a full scale strike against targets in japan and okinawa. they will not be able to sustain it for any length of time.
duncanidaho
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As far as I understand, Col. Du Wenlong comments at 1:10, that J-15 is now fully capable for a catapult launch.
Ok my Chinese is very bad, especially listening so excuse me for asking:
Around 1:42, it is written that:
1) At present the J-15 has been prepared for catapult launch?
2) Therefore, future (some characters I don't understand) J-15s could work with both steam and electro-magnetic catapults?
And FarkTypeSoldier please keep providing us with translations and the videos! It's a great source of knowledge and for me a great way to practise my Chinese!
Around 1:42, it is written that:
1) At present the J-15 has been prepared for catapult launch?
2) Therefore, future (some characters I don't understand) J-15s could work with both steam and electro-magnetic catapults?
And FarkTypeSoldier please keep providing us with translations and the videos! It's a great source of knowledge and for me a great way to practise my Chinese!
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SinoSoldier
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J-15 is likely to have catapult-launch abilities since the PLAN wants it to be a long-term fighter until the 5G jets come into service.
With the development of the J-15B as well as the J-15S (there's a rumored J-15G for EW), it's pretty clear that they are planning ahead for its entry into service for at least a decade.
With the development of the J-15B as well as the J-15S (there's a rumored J-15G for EW), it's pretty clear that they are planning ahead for its entry into service for at least a decade.
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If we view that as an official statement then it's actually pretty massive. Designing J-15 with catapult launch in mind is a pretty massive deal. I presume they mean adding the nose attachment would be the only major structural modification.
That would make all of today's J-15s relevant on future CATOBAR carriers as well, effectively allowing all J-15s to cross deck on future PLAN carriers whether they are CATOBAR or STOBAR.
If we view that as an official statement then it's actually pretty massive. Designing J-15 with catapult launch in mind is a pretty massive deal. I presume they mean adding the nose attachment would be the only major structural modification.
That would make all of today's J-15s relevant on future CATOBAR carriers as well, effectively allowing all J-15s to cross deck on future PLAN carriers whether they are CATOBAR or STOBAR.
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