Discussing Biden's Potential China Policy

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solarz

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Should not negotiate with America. The United States' primary aim is to weaken and destroy China. If the Huawei issue can be resolved on the negotiating table, that would mean that the United States receives a greater benefit than punishing Huawei, and China incurs heavy losses elsewhere.

"Dead fish or broken net"

That's just not true. By any objective measure, Trump's trade war has been detrimental to the US, but that doesn't mean it was good for China.

The US is trying to undermine China while ignoring its domestic problems. This is not a game China can or should play. Even if the US destroys itself, if it significantly harms China in the process, then China will have new problems such as with India, Japan or Russia.

Only by strengthening itself can China preempt those problems in the first place. The question isn't what benefits the US gains from negotiating a release of Meng Wanzhou, but rather what China stands to gain from it.

One benefit that jumps to mind is preventing other countries from arresting prominent Chinese in the future. By securing Meng's release, other countries will see how Canada did the US' bidding and received nothing but trouble in return.
 

Phead128

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More likely Kamala vs Tom Cotton/Mike Pompeo - that's where the Republican party is trending. Trump will still remain the frontman of the far-right conservative movement, so Ivanka and Trump Jr will remain forefront on the fundraising campaign trail come 2024.

Mike Pompeo has the stain of Trumpism defeat, he isn't a viable Presidential candidate anymore. Tom Cotton is like a red neck version of Pompeo in terms of his anti-China rhetoric, still pretty scary.

That's just not true. By any objective measure, Trump's trade war has been detrimental to the US, but that doesn't mean it was good for China.
Agreed wholeheartedly. Esp. with US debt/deficit increasing by $5 Trillion, then China's trade surplus to buy US Treasury bonds/debt becomes even more important, or else who will be left holding the bag? Vietnam? Japan? They aren't idiots to hold the bag while US inflates away the value of it.
The US is trying to undermine China while ignoring its domestic problems. This is not a game China can or should play. Even if the US destroys itself, if it significantly harms China in the process, then China will have new problems such as with India, Japan or Russia.

Yep, that's why 4 years of Trump is just enough to awaken Chinese leadership of the important of self-independence in semiconductors, any longer with Mike Pompeo is not good. Mike Pompeo will drag US and China down in a mudfight, even if it harms US in process, China gets harmed too. Better just only have 4 years, then go Full-Scale Manhattan project on Semiconductors and prepare for future trade conflict whenever Trump 2.0 wannabe comes into power. China should be much much stronger and resilient by then.

Only by strengthening itself can China preempt those problems in the first place.
Wholeheartedly agree 100%. That's why even if Biden is anti-China, but removes tariffs, that's still good for China because China can still grow, grow, grow. Strengthening China can pre-empt or deter a lot of stuff in future when Trump 2.0 comes into power, China will be much more prepared and resilient.

The question isn't what benefits the US gains from negotiating a release of Meng Wanzhou, but rather what China stands to gain from it.

One benefit that jumps to mind is preventing other countries from arresting prominent Chinese in the future. By securing Meng's release, other countries will see how Canada did the US' bidding and received nothing but trouble in return.

When Emperor Yingzhong of Ming was captured as prisoner of war by enemy Mongol forces, they didn't even pay the randsom for Emperor's release.

The reason is because the country was more important than an Emperor's life.

That Stupid Princess already had a US Arrest Warrant out for her, and still travelled through enemy territory to visit her Canadian Mansions/properties. You can't fix stupid. If Americans want to arrest Chinese leadership on false charges, then next time Elon Musk visits China, arrest him too.
 

crash8pilot

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Mike Pompeo has the stain of Trumpism defeat, he isn't a viable Presidential candidate anymore.
Threw Pompeo's out there because he clearly has ambition for the White House, or else he would've ran for (and definitely would've won) the Kansas Senate seat vacancy had he seen Trump's defeat coming.

In a hypothetical world where COVID wasn't a thing and the US elects Trump based on the growth of the economy, it'd make sense for Pompeo to stay on in the State Department, as running for the Senate would've been seen as a 'step down' from being Secretary of State. I mean despite what mainstream media depicts, the Democratic primaries made every candidate (except for Bernie who was too old and dare I say past his prime, and Tulsi Gabbard... who single handedly pissed off the entire party establishment) look unelectable, and Trump had a legit shot to win big in the General Election. It would've made sense for Pompeo to stay on Trump's Administration to build onto his own run for the 2024 Republican nomination.

I can't see Pompeo disappearing into the sunset, I definitely think he sticks around the modern conservative movement. While the voices in California and New York tend to drown out the rest of the nation, nearly half of America voted for Trump.

I'd much rather see someone more moderate and competent like Nikki Haley or someone along the lines of a younger Mitt Romney run for the Republican nomination in 2024.
 

solarz

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That Stupid Princess already had a US Arrest Warrant out for her, and still travelled through enemy territory to visit her Canadian Mansions/properties. You can't fix stupid. If Americans want to arrest Chinese leadership on false charges, then next time Elon Musk visits China, arrest him too.

To be fair, there's no indication that she had any knowledge about the warrant.

Anyway, arresting Spavor and Korvrig was the proportional response to Meng’s arrest. China doesn't need to do anything or make any concessions on this front.
 

siegecrossbow

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My opinion is that Biden will definitely ratchet up the pressure on the human rights front (Hong Kong, Xinjiang, etc.) but he will be practical on the economic front. At a minimum we won’t be seeing ridiculous stuff like WeChat/Tiktok ban anymore. I still think that he’ll keep the sanctions on Huawei since Democrats are behind that too.
 
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