Discussing Biden's Potential China Policy

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JayFalsum

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(Hillary’s words, not mine. At the time of this happen, only one Chinese national leadership official was travelling in the US, guess who)
It said nothing about Xi and Biden. Wang's attempted to flee because he already knew the central government was already planning to go after his boss. So I am still gonna call you bullshitting on Biden passing info to Xi.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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What really irks the Americans and the West is that they are losing ground to a opponent that they view as inferior to them in every way.

They view China's political system as being regressive and archaic. They view China's academia with suspicion as they don't have "freedom of thought". And until recently they see the Chinese economy as filled with old smoke stack industries that belongs in the last century. They view China's human rights record as a anathema to everything they believe in and stand for. And with Xi Jinping centralizing power in recent years have simply further strengthen their negative views of China and confirm a lot of their biases and stereotype's of the CCP.

So the West sees themselves as both the intellectual and moral superiors to China.

If you have lost to a opponent that you acknowledge as your superior then you will accept that you were beaten by someone better than you and you will work harder to do better next time.

But if you are losing to someone you view as beneath you. Then you will start to look for other answers to your los. You will be convinced that the other guy cheated and played dirty because how else would they have been able to beat you.

Hints the endless accusations from the US and the West about China cheating, lying and stealing from them. They throw doubts about Chinese economic data and deride China's technological progress as either have been copied or been stolen from them. Because they believe that China can't progress or innovate on her own. They make fun of Chinese quality and workmenship. They accuse China of currency manipulation and using slave labor.

Because there must be a explanation why they are constantly losing to China on trade or the fact that China is muscling in on their marketshare for high tech products.

In this scenario there is very little to no introspection as to what went wrong for them. Instead its all the other guys fault.

That also explains why they are so desperate to see China fail as every misfortune that China has to deal with over the years is being seen as the end or the beginning of the end for China's ascendency.

And therefor going forward as the US and the West continues to struggle domestically and continues to lose influence internationally you will see that their rhetoric and actions towards China will become ever more shrilled and unhinged.

Very dangerous times ahead!

Also race. That is a big one. They never really accepted Japanese or Koreans and they're under full military occupation ie they're the "tamed" Asians, Chinese are still "wild".
 

Bellum_Romanum

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The common theme amongst all these American panelists composed of the Chairman of the Armed Services Committee, Jack Reed (U.S. Army Capt. Ret. West Point Grad) the female Secretary of the Army, The Marine Commandant, Eldrige "ANTI-CHINA CHICKEN HAWK" Colby, and Northrop Grunman sales executive are: CHINA'S SPEED, INNOVATION, AND DETERMINATION TO APPARENTLY SUPPLANT THE PRIMACY OF THE U.S. MILITARY and that's a major crime in their eyes and sensibilities.

 
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horse

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What really irks the Americans and the West is that they are losing ground to a opponent that they view as inferior to them in every way.

They view China's political system as being regressive and archaic. They view China's academia with suspicion as they don't have "freedom of thought". And until recently they see the Chinese economy as filled with old smoke stack industries that belongs in the last century. They view China's human rights record as a anathema to everything they believe in and stand for. And with Xi Jinping centralizing power in recent years have simply further strengthen their negative views of China and confirm a lot of their biases and stereotype's of the CCP.

So the West sees themselves as both the intellectual and moral superiors to China.

If you have lost to a opponent that you acknowledge as your superior then you will accept that you were beaten by someone better than you and you will work harder to do better next time.

But if you are losing to someone you view as beneath you. Then you will start to look for other answers to your los. You will be convinced that the other guy cheated and played dirty because how else would they have been able to beat you.

Hints the endless accusations from the US and the West about China cheating, lying and stealing from them. They throw doubts about Chinese economic data and deride China's technological progress as either have been copied or been stolen from them. Because they believe that China can't progress or innovate on her own. They make fun of Chinese quality and workmenship. They accuse China of currency manipulation and using slave labor.

Because there must be a explanation why they are constantly losing to China on trade or the fact that China is muscling in on their marketshare for high tech products.

In this scenario there is very little to no introspection as to what went wrong for them. Instead its all the other guys fault.

That also explains why they are so desperate to see China fail as every misfortune that China has to deal with over the years is being seen as the end or the beginning of the end for China's ascendency.

And therefor going forward as the US and the West continues to struggle domestically and continues to lose influence internationally you will see that their rhetoric and actions towards China will become ever more shrilled and unhinged.

Very dangerous times ahead!

1. I agree completely with your post!

2. I agree so much, I am going to repeat myself that I agree completely!

3. The point for China here, is two words, which is, "Who cares?"

4. In the end, they either gotta put up or shut up.

5. In a strange twist of circumstance in our times, with the rise of China, the west neither puts up or shuts up. They continue babbling all along - but for what ends?

6. One example is the hypersonic weapon. China has them deployed, while the west talks hysterically about them. What gives?!

7. I do not believe these times are as dangerous as the Western media makes it out to be. What it looks like is a collapse. This is a crisis of confidence in the west. No matter how many meetings they have with like minded nations or how loud the echo chamber will bellow out the nonsense, the same problems remain, that can only be solved by hard work.

Hard work is the way forward, not empty rhetoric. At least China has that figured out.

That is the reason for forum like these, to see what China is like. That is interesting.

What the Western politician saying about China, not interesting at all, there is no follow through. Just more echo chamber treatment.

:p
 

solarz

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Also race. That is a big one. They never really accepted Japanese or Koreans and they're under full military occupation ie they're the "tamed" Asians, Chinese are still "wild".

It's all tied together. For the past five centuries, Europeans have been colonizing and genociding non-Europeans all over the world. The rise of Western civilization during this time cemented in them a belief of superiority in Western culture that persists today.

It used to perplex me how the Qing dynasty could be so blind to its own inadequacies and the technological advancements of Western powers in the 19th century. Now, I'm seeing it played out before my own eyes, except this time, it is the West that is playing the role of the declining civilization convinced of its innate superiority and blind to the progress outside of its sphere of influence.
 

horse

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White supremacy is really the guiding ideology of the west.

The only way to convince them otherwise is either through centuries of counter propaganda, demonstrative feats of superiority eg Chinese kilometre class starships, off world colonies, cures for cancer, or outright military force.

White supremacy will not work if there is no supremacy.

China has a better version of the quantum computer. It did the quantum advantage better, they are now working on the error correction part.

Since that is superior, we never read much about it in the mainstream Western media.

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It is a nature human desire to be accepted.

The west will never accept China for what it is, which is China is China.

That we only need to read some history, and just read the news of today.

It is what the Taoist said in the Zhung Tzu. Try to attain or pursue the unattainable, like whatever, knowledge, stuff, that is pointless. Better just go do your thing, free and easy.

Wander where you want.

The future of China is not the west (supremacy or inferiority).

That is too clear.

:)
 

styx

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i think that with all this sanctionts the west is finally isolating himself. Come on if you think about china (chinese civilization) turkey (ottoman empire) india (hindu civilization) russia (christian orthodox leading power) iran (persian empire sciite islam) like major historical civilizations you see the white anglo saxon west at war with all the major forces of world history.
 
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