Discussing Biden's Potential China Policy

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Fedupwithlies

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From the article, "Americans have never shrunk from competition. Indeed, our market economy and democracy are founded on the proposition that fair competition will spur the rivals to run faster than they would do running alone."

That's hilarious. Americans these days are obsessed with trying to cheat while getting their competition disqualified so they don't have to compete.

Americans these days have the singular mentality of "if I don't win, its because everyone else was cheating."

They weren't always like that, I've met a lot of Americans who don't have that mentality. But almost %100 they were born in the 60's and 70's and grew up in the 70's and 80's.

The collapse of the Soviet Union and the end of the cold war really did a number on their work ethic.
 
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nemo said:
Actually, that issue is more nuanced than you thinks. Soviet Union overspent itself into oblivion. Military spending is transitory -- it does not last, so you should only spend as much as you need, and spend the rest on development. US is spending above global average (in percentage of GDP), so unless it can get benefit in excess of the cost, it's not a good strategy in long term. China is pending close to global average, so the effect is close to neutral pertaining to the global economic growth rate. Since no country see fit to invade China currently, it is more than likely enough. Whether it's excessive is another question, and Chinese government are more than competent in being the judge of that. Since military spending impose less burden comparatively to US, in the long run China would have advantage.
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The only metric that matters is whether Chinese forces can stop US from kinetic strikes on mainland. I don’t think the metric has been met yet.
 
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vincent said:
The only metric that matters is whether Chinese forces can stop US from kinetic strikes on mainland. I don’t think the metric has been met yet.
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Depends. Do they want to lose their entire navy and half their air force to do so and still be unable to land forces, take territory or make it safe to refuel over China?

Because that's what it will take.
 
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crash8pilot said:
The Clintons and Obamas are just as corrupt as the Bushs and Trumps.
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It is true that establishment corporate democrats (e.g. Clintons and Obamas) are just as corrupt as establishment corporate republicans (e.g. Bushes and Trump), but nobody labels Clintons or Obamas as "liberals" or "libtards".... In U.S. politics, labels matter, and nobody in their right mind would label Clinton or Obamas as "liberals" or "libtard" because they are not.
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and well the Democrats are just as culpable of what the Republicans are doing regardless if they're centrist Biden types, Bernie bros, or far left AOC libtards.
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This is no different from Americans saying: "Chinese CCP" = "Socialism/Marxism/Communism" = "Bad". It very low-effort to say "Democrats" = "Republicans" = "Bad".... there is zero intellectual effort behind that vast oversimplification and generalization.

God forbid, if Chinese think tanks have such low-analytic skills of US politics as you guys, China will have never initiated detente with Nixon.
 
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Phead128 said:
It is true that establishment corporate democrats (e.g. Clintons and Obamas) are just as corrupt as establishment corporate republicans (e.g. Bushes and Trump), but nobody labels Clintons or Obamas as "liberals" or "libtards".... In U.S. politics, labels matter, and nobody in their right mind would label Clinton or Obamas as "liberals" or "libtard" because they are not.


This is no different from Americans saying: "Chinese CCP" = "Socialism/Marxism/Communism" = "Bad". It very low-effort to say "Democrats" = "Republicans" = "Bad".... there is zero intellectual effort behind that vast oversimplification and generalization.

God forbid, if Chinese think tanks have such low-analytic skills of US politics as you guys, China will have never initiated detente with Nixon.
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I am impressed with your ability to distinguish different flavors of bulls*, whether that be so called "liberal" bulls* or "conservative" bulls*

As I am not a bulls* connoisseur, I lack that ability. To me, bulls* is just bulls*.

I wonder though, how come Cantonese grannies are getting beat up in liberal San Francisco while Koreans are getting shot up in conservative Atlanta? Perhaps I am not well versed in the finer points of bulls* so your expertise is welcome.
 
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FairAndUnbiased said:
Depends. Do they want to lose their entire navy and half their air force to do so and still be unable to land forces, take territory or make it safe to refuel over China?

Because that's what it will take.
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The richest Chinese cities are probably in ruins by then.
 
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FairAndUnbiased said:
I wonder though, how come Cantonese grannies are getting beat up in liberal San Francisco while Koreans are getting shot up in conservative Atlanta? Perhaps I am not well versed in the finer points of bulls* so your expertise is welcome.
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Cantonese grannies get beat up by (mostly) blacks because of legacy of miscommunication and cultural divide between the black and Asian community, further accentuated by pandemic-related high unemployment, alcohol/substance abuse crisis, mental health crisis, and Trump's incendiary anti-Asian rhetoric and blaming Chinese.

Atlanta is very liberal city (not conservative) but they are a blue dot in a sea of red (Georgia). The white shooter dehumanized and victim-blamed Asian massage parlors as sex workers, and murdered them in religious quest to eliminate his lustful sins. (Total bullshit). I can't explain crazy looney white shooters and lonely white shooters are a dime a dozen. I blame religion and mental health rather the political ideology.
 
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vincent said:
The richest Chinese cities are probably in ruins by then.
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Would they be? How many civilian targets can they afford to try with long range munitions when they're being shot at by tens of thousands of military targets? How are they gonna approach within strike range with dumb bomb strike packages when PLAAF held in reserve is still there to shoot them down?

Is this gonna be like your so called threats of Micron suing YMTC if they attempted to sell in the US when they have already given that up 2 years ago and YMTC is already selling via Lexar? If it's as weak and impotent as that so called threat then there's no worry at all.
 
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