Deficiency for the whole of PLA

Vesicles
Have you ever lived in China? How sure are you that most of the single children in China are spoiled? You need to speak with data , to defend your claims.
cheers
Clive

bladerunner said:

What do you mean by doomed. Theres life after defeat, maybe not for the leaders though
I don't think any of the major countrys leaders in their right mind will resort to nucleur weapons, if they see defeat looming in a conventional war between themselves.

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Actually, on the contrary... if war was fought between two major power... and one of them seeing that defeats are looming... and if that defeat didn't just meaning a change in government but the end of their nation, do u still think that they will hold back on the nuclear.

Also if the power is actually controlled by a tight regime that actually do not have the democratic burea like many or most of the western nation, a defeat would mean the fall of that regime, the man on top will not hesitate to use nuclear. Actually it is not about the good of mankind... or the good of a nation... it is all about the good to oneself and his regime... his power.

Actually, I am still not convince that one-child policy is the main cause of the problem. I mean... come on, spoilt children are everywhere in the world... perhaps more so in developed country. Does this actually mean that the army are pretty weak? I believe it had also become a trend in nation such as US, UK and many western countries (don't ask me to provide a link, it is just my observation when liasing with some of the people there), but their military are still extremely strong.

More and more, human factors play lesser parts in today's world... and we have to admit that more and more future wars are actually played by stronger nations hitting lesser nations.

rhino123 said:

Actually, on the contrary... if war was fought between two major power... and one of them seeing that defeats are looming... and if that defeat didn't just meaning a change in government but the end of their nation, do u still think that they will hold back on the nuclear.

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Since when has modern war seen the end of a nation, eg winners and loosers are still around from WW2? onwards.

Also if the power is actually controlled by a tight regime that actually do not have the democratic burea like many or most of the western nation, a defeat would mean the fall of that regime, the man on top will not hesitate to use nuclear. Actually it is not about the good of mankind... or the good of a nation... it is all about the good to oneself and his regime... his power.

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If its China you are referring to, I dont think theres any Hitler like characters in the CCp are there? . One that believe in Gottadamerung and going in blaze of Glory. what are the chances of the military turning against the regime under those circumstances, where saner heads rule, and although beaten, can still see a tomorrow?.

cliveersknell said:

Vesicles
Have you ever lived in China? How sure are you that most of the single children in China are spoiled? You need to speak with data , to defend your claims.
cheers
Clive

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Yes I have, for 16 years. I belong to the last batch of kids born just before the one-child policy was enforced. So yeah, I know many of them. Many of my buddies have been the only children in their families. In fact, my wife is the only child in her family. Plus, the view that most of the single children in China have been spoiled is very well accepted. Even in the 80's when I was still living in China, the term "little suns" was created to describe the spoiled single kids in China, meaning that these kids are usually the center of everything going on in the family and everything and everyone revolve around them. That, to me and most others, suggest spoiled...

I'm not sure how to quantify spoiled kids... I don't think anyone has done anything quantitative analysis on it, but the phenomenon is undeniably present. The cause of the problem may be many. Being the only child in the family may be only one of them. Since these kids grow up in China that just got wealthy. Many parents may feel that they want to give their kids all the things that they could only dream about when they were little. That leads to spoiled kids... This is so wide-spread, many special discipline schools have been opened to deal with these spoiled kids. Many parents know that they are spoiling their kids, but still cannot bare the thought of discipline their kids. So they send their kids to discipline schools. I think only a couple years ago, I saw a report on this forum about a kid being beaten to death in one these discipline schools. That tells you the seriousness of the issue...

Another thing is that these single kids usually lack inter-personal skills. I have many friends who are single kids. This is NOT limited to only Chinese, but all nationalities and background, including Vietnamese, Koreans, American white, African American, Europeans, etc.

vesicles, by military standard every civilian is spoiled. it has nothing to do with what environment you grew up in. before one receives adequate training and access to the military culture, he will not be able to adapt well to the way things work in the military. so it still comes down to the kind of training and discipline of that military.

pla101prc said:

vesicles, by military standard every civilian is spoiled. it has nothing to do with what environment you grew up in. before one receives adequate training and access to the military culture, he will not be able to adapt well to the way things work in the military. so it still comes down to the kind of training and discipline of that military.

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Agreed!

The thing is... military hardware and system improvement over the last few decades of China's military actually did have some impact on the human factor aspect of the armed forces. By that I mean, so what if a child is spoilt or what in an army... like what many had pointed out, discipline and training is what matters most, but I don't think that is the only thing that matters. To a great deal... military technology also matters.

If what the general say holds a wee bit of truth in it... then from what I can see, people in very poor nations who have a do or die attitude like those in Iraq and Afgan should be the greatest soldiers around. They are definitely not spoilt by any standard. But when the US and NATO came in... they are sweep away like dirt, why? Many of the Russian army was also not pampered as badly as what the Chinese are... but they took... what? 10 years in Afgan and still not see much result... and who knows how many years in Chechen.

Well... many a time technology and modern tactics did play significant part in military campaign. By now, the Chinese should have enough tech to actually handle most military conflicts. And as long as the battles or wars are swift and quick, without the intention of holding to that location long, just as pre-emptive strikes for whatever reasons and leave quickly, the Chinese is going to fair quite well.

The main casaulty for the US and NATO when they entered Iraq and Afgan didn't come in the first instant... instead, it was more on the later part when they have occupied the country.

So taking that as a lesson, if the Chinese do not try to control the place, instead just give them a hard lesson, striking her opponents hard and doing enough damages to the country then leave... I am not seeing alot of damage would be done to the CHinese troop. And even a spoilt child can press a trigger or button (I presume )