Deficiency for the whole of PLA

rhino123

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At recent decades, we have been seeing massive amount of improved hardwares and software for the Chinese military. The PLA seemed to have improved in all areas such as training, equipment received, etc. When I said PLA, I mean PLA, PLAAF and PLAN.

At the peak of their improvement and enhancement, I would also like to hear the point of view from all our more experience posters on what you still find lacking in PLA that needed to be improve.

(PS. Please refrain from country bashing.)

to kick start this thread, I personally felt that coordination between different combat arms within the three elements and the second artillery are not too integrated. They still functions as different arms.
 
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A.Man

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This Is The Real Deficiency Of PLA-The People's Congress Is Talking About It!

两会军方暴露中国作战部队巨大缺陷——几十年都难改观

/来自中华网社区 club.china.com/

最近两会各方代表密集提出议案，而在这些风光旖旎的提案中，一次军方的电视讲话，却暴露了中国军队的巨大缺陷，而且这个缺陷将几十年都难以改观。

/来自中华网社区 club.china.com/

军方人员提到，“要确保一线作战人员的学习能力，学习英雄人物，学习作战能力等等”；但是随后所说的话道出了实情，“现在一线作战部队，70%的是独生子女，他们存在各种各样的问题”。


听到这个问题，我不仅如芒在背——70%的一线作战部队是独生子女，那么按照这位军方人员的话说，中国将存在巨大的战争漏洞。


其一230万军事人员，到底有多少一线作战人员


如果按照正常的比例，中国230万的军事人员中，剔除文艺兵和高层军方管理人员和机要人员的话，应该在70%左右的一线作战人员。那么也就是160万的作战人员，而这些将来可能上战场的人中，却又70%的是独生子女。也就是说在战争爆发的阶段，将会有112万人，是不适合上战场的。只有48万人是非独生子女，理论上是可以上战场的。


我们都看过美国影片《拯救大兵瑞恩》，在大范围的独生子女的军队和预备队中，80后基本都是保持了这样的比例，也就是说，现在即便动员令发动了，也不可能达到解放初期的那种作战能力。


其二从战争的角度上来讲，人都有趋利避害的本性


79年的对越自卫反击战，已经表现出了人们对于战争的恐惧。而且如果中国现在面临这样的战争情况，会有多少的母亲担心儿子，势必会对士气和作战能力造成巨大的影响。


试问，谁会冒着下半辈子孤独生活的境地，送自己的孩子上前线？所以，70%的独生子女士兵，是不适合走进战场进行拼杀的。因为按照中国的传统，至少要给自己家里留下后代，才能不称为不孝。为了能避免上战场，可能会有更多的腐败现象发生，一些达官贵人，可能会利用自己手中的资源，来逃脱上战场，而不顾国家的安危和国家的领土完整。


其三90后服兵役，更是难以承受之重


90后服兵役的一些人，已经出现了奶瓶士兵。嘴里叼着奶瓶，肩上扛着没有子弹的枪。现在许多的家长，将军营当做锻炼孩子的一个场所。而这些孩子登上历史舞台，将承受着4位老人，两位父母亲的精心呵护，对于久已没有的战争，存在陌生感。而他们是不是真的能在血与火中，都生存下来，将是未知之数。


况且更多的人到军营只不过，是想镀镀金，或者有钱人当做一个资本，而对于战争他们恐怕将抱着陌生或者事不关己高高挂起的心态。战争来了，我就走！


那么每死亡一个士兵，将会有六位亲人难过，如果再来一次朝鲜战争的惨烈景象，那么是不是会有，几百万人痛苦呢？而这些人，将怎么对待生活，对待国家，对待社会呢？


其四这种情况几十年将难以改观


即便现在开始放开独生子女政策，那么有多少人愿意生第二个，能不能抚养的起是一个方面，会不会将自己的孩子送到战场是另一方面。而现在的70后已经接近生育的边缘，80后正在为房子和票子奋斗的时候，又有多少人原因为了国家，为了民族的安全，而去生下第二个孩子呢？至于90后的孩子们，恐怕在过十年都不会轻言生育的。那么在人员组成结构单一化，家庭在小型化的现在，中国的战斗力，要靠什么来支撑。


飞机大炮毕竟要人来操作，一旦美国或者西方，成群结队的端着枪走进中国的领土，中国应该怎么办？


这种情况几十年都将难以改观。


最后，高技术真的是未来战争的唯一方式吗？


现在许多的人都在谈论战争的模式，到底是什么样的？有的人呢，甚至是超脱了实际情况，天马行空的说，战争。但是我们也看到，美军在伊拉克，在阿富汗的战争，高技术到底有多少的用处？一味的宣扬高技术战，其实是在回避，可能爆发大规模战争的可能性。而战争的意义就是往往你回避的就是你将要遇到的。而一旦遇到了大规模的部队作战，中国军队怎么办？不是没有可能，印度的重兵布防，美国的虎视眈眈，无一不在提醒我们，常规的作战方法并没有退出历史舞台，而是装饰了一下，又将上来！


总之，军队是打仗，打仗就要死人的。想要通过那一身国防绿来获得自己美好前程，或者镀一层金，以便光宗耀祖都是要不得的。


而中国的风险就在这里，怎么能指挥几百万的独生子女作战，怎么让他们为了一个看不到的目标浴血奋战，这是一个很难的难题。

/来自中华网社区 club.china.com/
 
rhino123

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A.Man said:
This Is The Real Deficiency Of PLA-The People's Congress Is Talking About It!

两会军方暴露中国作战部队巨大缺陷——几十年都难改观

/来自中华网社区 club.china.com/

最近两会各方代表密集提出议案，而在这些风光旖旎的提案中，一次军方的电视讲话，却暴露了中国军队的巨大缺陷，而且这个缺陷将几十年都难以改观。

/来自中华网社区 club.china.com/

军方人员提到，“要确保一线作战人员的学习能力，学习英雄人物，学习作战能力等等”；但是随后所说的话道出了实情，“现在一线作战部队，70%的是独生子女，他们存在各种各样的问题”。


听到这个问题，我不仅如芒在背——70%的一线作战部队是独生子女，那么按照这位军方人员的话说，中国将存在巨大的战争漏洞。


其一230万军事人员，到底有多少一线作战人员


如果按照正常的比例，中国230万的军事人员中，剔除文艺兵和高层军方管理人员和机要人员的话，应该在70%左右的一线作战人员。那么也就是160万的作战人员，而这些将来可能上战场的人中，却又70%的是独生子女。也就是说在战争爆发的阶段，将会有112万人，是不适合上战场的。只有48万人是非独生子女，理论上是可以上战场的。


我们都看过美国影片《拯救大兵瑞恩》，在大范围的独生子女的军队和预备队中，80后基本都是保持了这样的比例，也就是说，现在即便动员令发动了，也不可能达到解放初期的那种作战能力。


其二从战争的角度上来讲，人都有趋利避害的本性


79年的对越自卫反击战，已经表现出了人们对于战争的恐惧。而且如果中国现在面临这样的战争情况，会有多少的母亲担心儿子，势必会对士气和作战能力造成巨大的影响。


试问，谁会冒着下半辈子孤独生活的境地，送自己的孩子上前线？所以，70%的独生子女士兵，是不适合走进战场进行拼杀的。因为按照中国的传统，至少要给自己家里留下后代，才能不称为不孝。为了能避免上战场，可能会有更多的腐败现象发生，一些达官贵人，可能会利用自己手中的资源，来逃脱上战场，而不顾国家的安危和国家的领土完整。


其三90后服兵役，更是难以承受之重


90后服兵役的一些人，已经出现了奶瓶士兵。嘴里叼着奶瓶，肩上扛着没有子弹的枪。现在许多的家长，将军营当做锻炼孩子的一个场所。而这些孩子登上历史舞台，将承受着4位老人，两位父母亲的精心呵护，对于久已没有的战争，存在陌生感。而他们是不是真的能在血与火中，都生存下来，将是未知之数。


况且更多的人到军营只不过，是想镀镀金，或者有钱人当做一个资本，而对于战争他们恐怕将抱着陌生或者事不关己高高挂起的心态。战争来了，我就走！


那么每死亡一个士兵，将会有六位亲人难过，如果再来一次朝鲜战争的惨烈景象，那么是不是会有，几百万人痛苦呢？而这些人，将怎么对待生活，对待国家，对待社会呢？


其四这种情况几十年将难以改观


即便现在开始放开独生子女政策，那么有多少人愿意生第二个，能不能抚养的起是一个方面，会不会将自己的孩子送到战场是另一方面。而现在的70后已经接近生育的边缘，80后正在为房子和票子奋斗的时候，又有多少人原因为了国家，为了民族的安全，而去生下第二个孩子呢？至于90后的孩子们，恐怕在过十年都不会轻言生育的。那么在人员组成结构单一化，家庭在小型化的现在，中国的战斗力，要靠什么来支撑。


飞机大炮毕竟要人来操作，一旦美国或者西方，成群结队的端着枪走进中国的领土，中国应该怎么办？


这种情况几十年都将难以改观。


最后，高技术真的是未来战争的唯一方式吗？


现在许多的人都在谈论战争的模式，到底是什么样的？有的人呢，甚至是超脱了实际情况，天马行空的说，战争。但是我们也看到，美军在伊拉克，在阿富汗的战争，高技术到底有多少的用处？一味的宣扬高技术战，其实是在回避，可能爆发大规模战争的可能性。而战争的意义就是往往你回避的就是你将要遇到的。而一旦遇到了大规模的部队作战，中国军队怎么办？不是没有可能，印度的重兵布防，美国的虎视眈眈，无一不在提醒我们，常规的作战方法并没有退出历史舞台，而是装饰了一下，又将上来！


总之，军队是打仗，打仗就要死人的。想要通过那一身国防绿来获得自己美好前程，或者镀一层金，以便光宗耀祖都是要不得的。


而中国的风险就在这里，怎么能指挥几百万的独生子女作战，怎么让他们为了一个看不到的目标浴血奋战，这是一个很难的难题。

/来自中华网社区 club.china.com/
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It is a good read... but my chinese is really not that good. could you kindly provide a translation? Thanks.
 
vesicles

vesicles

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bd popeye said:
Believe me my Chinese is worse than his.non-existant in fact. We need a translation A.Man..
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It basically says close to 70% of the PLA soldiers are the only child in the family. In time of war, less family would be willing to send their son to the front line. If another war like the Korean War where PLA suffered heavy casualty, many families would be left without offspring. This is a big offense in Chinese culture. Obviously, this will negatively impact the morale.

I would like to add another point. No offense to those fellow forum members who are the only child in the family, but I believe that these people are normally more spoiled and have less inter-personal skills. These characteristics would potentially affect their ability to endure the hardship on the battlefield and affect the morale. Poor inter-personal skills makes these people less able to have a healthy relationship in normal workplace, even less among fellow soldiers on the battlefield.

I remember one video posted by A. man about PLA Spec. Ops about one guy fearing height. He felt very bad because it was his B-day and no one was celebrating with him. Even worse, his parents even went to the camp wanting to celebrate their son's B-day... At the time, I was thinking "can you spoil someone even more???" I, for one, had never heard some parents wanted to visit their enlisted son simply to celebrate his B-day... And the guy got upset because his commanding officer would not let him see his parents. If this guy got upset only because of a B-day celebration, it's hard to imagine how this guy would react in the time of war... And can you imagine what his parents would do when learning that a war is coming and their son would be sent to harm's way and could potentially not come back?
 
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zaky

zaky

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Maby China shoud ease the one child policy. Eventualy shift to two child policy or somthing similar.
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williamhou

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The article said PLA representative raised concern in the People‘s Congress that 70% PLA front line soldiers are in fact not suitable for any combat role at all. These soldiers are China's new generation of spoiled only-children，many of them are "Little Emperors" at home, they are not only much less capable/willing to combat, but losing any of them will be devastating for two families, which has a very bad effect to the society and sons are very important in Chinese culture - that's why China has the world's largest population.

It also quoted Saving Private Ryan, in which Ryan was protected due to Sole Survivor Policy of US Army. The vast majority of Chinese soldiers are already 'sole survivor', theoretically they should be protected when it comes to war. That makes only a small portion of Chinese army combat capable.

I think that's a serious challenge. Combined with the zero combat experience for vast majority of PLA, China is so unready for war.
 
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bladerunner

bladerunner

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vesicles said:
It basically says close to 70% of the PLA soldiers are the only child in the family. In time of war, less family would be willing to send their son to the front line.
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Rather Ironic when one compares it to the Israeli situation. They dont like to sustain high casulties because of public feeling and a small population, whereas China has a large population, but could be confronted by the same public attitude.

So not only does the PLA have to provide excellent leadership, but good equipment with strong battlefied casulty survivability. I read recently Amercian claims to have made great strides in this area, so lets hope PLA have managed to do the same.
 
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solarz

solarz

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I call BS on this. This whole "only child is spoiled and good for nothing" idea has never, ever been supported by any kind of evidence, other than anecdotal.

Of course the PLA soldiers today cannot compare to those of the Korean war. Those soldiers were veterans of either the civil war or even the Japanese war.

The idea that "only children" will cause more social unrest if they die in war is also BS. Do you think that a parent's pain of losing a child is lessened because they have other children?

Look at the PLA's performance in recent disaster rescue operations. The way they performed in those operations are a good indicator of their strength of character.

Finally, I find it really unbelievable that a military officer would publicly bash his own soldiers like that. What this opinion amounts to is just prejudice. A person's worth should be judged by his or her actions, not by the number of siblings they have.
 
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