The Chinese goverment does not have a law that fobidden Uighurs to speak their own language,but if Uighurs want to have a better chance to get higher income, they must learn to speak Chinese, just because chinese is the language that spoken by most people in china. If a Chinese went to the United States, and he wants to become a member of high-income class, can you imagine that he doesn't speak English?
Death toll in Xinjiang riot rises to 140
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I recognize that what happened to the Native Americans and Africans, who were taken to the new world to be slaves and their descendants was a crime, and I accept the judgment of history. Just because 2000 years ago a map of the domain of an Emperor shows that this area as his does not make it the property of the rest of china until the end of time. Forcing people to speak another language in order to hold a job is no better than forcing them at gun point. There is a Moral relativism between what the Han Chines are doing to the people of Tibet and the Uighur.
I will probably be labeled unpatriotic by my fellow American's, I will accept that Judgment.
optionsss
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Many people in China, India, and rest of the world have to learn to speak English to hold a job position. Language is just a skill you will have to adapt to become competitive.
It's like a programmer complaining that he can't find a job, because he doesn't know how to use C++.
I am very disappointed with how this riot has been reported in the Western press. Extremely biased...
Take this report for example...
, but a fight between Uighurs and Hans at a toy factory in Guangdong...which then subsequently turned ugly.
No mention of most of the killed were innocent civilians either beaten and/or stabbed to death.
Hong Kong media have reported most victims treated in hospitals were Han Chinese with stab wounds and head wounds. This piece of information has been so far ignored by the Western press.
And every report almost certainly contains the phases "repressive Chinese rule", "enormous security crackdown across Xinjiang", all making out as if China's central government was at fault for all this.
So the Uighurs are unfortunate to have missed the big slice of Xinjiang's economic boom, that gives them the right to study harder, work harder, learn how to speak Mandarin to ensure they dont miss out in the future....not to go to riot throughout the city beating and knifing even Han Chinese person they see!!
Take this report for example...
The protest was not against the governtment in Beijing
, but a fight between Uighurs and Hans at a toy factory in Guangdong...which then subsequently turned ugly. No mention of most of the killed were innocent civilians either beaten and/or stabbed to death.
Hong Kong media have reported most victims treated in hospitals were Han Chinese with stab wounds and head wounds. This piece of information has been so far ignored by the Western press.
And every report almost certainly contains the phases "repressive Chinese rule", "enormous security crackdown across Xinjiang", all making out as if China's central government was at fault for all this.
So the Uighurs are unfortunate to have missed the big slice of Xinjiang's economic boom, that gives them the right to study harder, work harder, learn how to speak Mandarin to ensure they dont miss out in the future....not to go to riot throughout the city beating and knifing even Han Chinese person they see!!
Is it not the policy of the Government of the Peoples republic of china that all commerce is the be carried out in Mandarin?
optionsss
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I know Mandarin is the official language of PRC, but mot all commerce is carried out in Mandarin. For example, there are restaurants serve in English, Cantonese, ect...
China is a very large country, there are many distinct dialects. Out of top of my head, there are Cantonese, Ningbo, Sichuan, Shanghai etc... Many of these people speak their dialect at home, but at work, Mandarin dominates, because that's the language people from other provinces could understand.
It is just like English in the US, many people speak Spanish and French at home, but they all speak English at work, do they not?
I am not sure how it is in the States, but I am sure that if you can only speak chinese you cant do commerce properly, I dont really like learning english much and have never even lived in any english speaking country, but I have to do it to become competitive in life, as simple as that, but ofc you dont HAVE to learn it, but then dont complain either, since its your own choice, this doesnt matter which ethnicity you are, Han, Tibetan, Hui, Zhuang, manchu, or Uigher, why should any citizen in the country be treated differently just because of they ethnicity? Minorities in China are already getting loads of benificial treatment like easier access to college, can have more children than Han Chinese etc.
Also I have heard of some americans express regret over the Black forced assimilation and slavery, and destruction and annexation of Native american culture and land, yet, you are still living on the very fruit of those crimes, its much easier for people to reconsider something and feel disbelief when they no longer live in the situation, when they are past all the difficulties and doesnt have to pay a price for regreting it.
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It is because almost in every country there is an official language or languages written in their constitutions or law ( except in the United States I was shocked ). For example in HK the official languages are Chinese or English.
As for being able speak multiple languages, many Europeans speaks more than 1 language. Currently the next generation of Asians will be able to also speak multiple languages because it is the necessary skill for business.
So for a personal to live in China as a citizen or as a foreigner and cannot speak Mandarin or English it will be a nightmare. Of course if you are rich you can have interpreters to help you out. But then how are you going to talk to friends or develop a relation outside of your own ethnic group. There is exception but it will not be easy and you will never be inside the main stream. It is the reality of living in a mufti-ethnic society.
I speak three Chinese dialects cause I was borne in HK, I speak English because I am living in the States, I speak a little Japanese and Korean because I like to watch both kind of TV drama and it helps me enjoy it more by knowing the language.
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Again, your analogy doesn't have any relation to the current situation. No one forces anyone to do anything. Anyone can speak any language he or she likes in China, but if the person doesn't speak Mandarin, then an employer has the rights not to hire.
You want to talk about moral issues? Fine! If you think forcing people to speak/use a specific language is immoral, then how would you justify forcing employers to hire unwillingly as moral?
I am very disappointed with how this riot has been reported in the Western press. Extremely biased...
Take this report for example...
The protest was not against the governtment in Beijing
No mention of most of the killed were innocent civilians either beaten and/or stabbed to death.
Hong Kong media have reported most victims treated in hospitals were Han Chinese with stab wounds and head wounds. This piece of information has been so far ignored by the Western press.
And every report almost certainly contains the phases "repressive Chinese rule", "enormous security crackdown across Xinjiang", all making out as if China's central government was at fault for all this.
So the Uighurs are unfortunate to have missed the big slice of Xinjiang's economic boom, that gives them the right to study harder, work harder, learn how to speak Mandarin to ensure they dont miss out in the future....not to go to riot throughout the city beating and knifing even Han Chinese person they see!!
Funny how most western media are trying quite hard to make the victim the agressor and the agressor the victim in this incident. Just like last years Tibetan Incident.
As usual, AP also tried to make it as if the communist party and goverment encouraged the Han Chinese mobs to form and attack uighers, saying Urumqi's Communist Party leader Li Zhi was "chanting" to the mobs "pumped his fists" "beat his chest"(such colorful words, erh?), to "strike down" poor old innocent 62 years old Kadeer, while in reality he was just trying to assure the mobs that the goverment will and can handle the thing and trying t dispers the mob and telling them to go home.
One Journalist also said out clear trying to indicate that without foriegn journalist this HUGE event would "properbly" have gone suppressed and unreported because of chinese media control, this frase was obviously removed later. Guess imaginary event is now also part of the free reporting? Or they are still living in Maos time when the chinese themself have already went forward? As I recall the chinese state media was just as quick to show this news as the "free" media this time, and not even the remotely visited tibetan incident last year was covered up.
This is the power of suggestive indication mixed within the news, first they paint up a background picture of thier choice and from thier(political correctness and jounalist+editors) own wanted perspective for you and then they tell you the news, result is easy effective and unsuspecting brainwash, while at the same time noone can even blame them for not telling the "true" news however discolored those are, the chinese propaganda department certainly is outdated and have alot to learn from the "free" media.
But just to be clear, I certainly doesnt like the chinese propaganda department and media restrictions either, and are in no way believing that the chinese state media are objective, but neither do I think the Western "Free" media is much better, infact I belive it to be more decieveful cuz people in the west lack the same kind of vigilence and suspicion as when they are watching the Chinese state media.
All in all, China are today in a time of great social and economical changes, I am actually suprised that these kind of incident havnt occured more early and more often, I am sure that more will come in the coming couple decades until this time of great changes settles, would predict at some day in the middle of the this centry.
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