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If there isn't extra space available, then you can't store more aircraft. Bingo. And there is no proof that such extra space is available.
CV-18 Fujian/003 CATOBAR carrier thread
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I already explained in my previous post how to fit in this extra row of jets, “ IF THIS SPACE EXISTS.”
So please be patient and don’t jump to the second question. I’ll address your second question later, but for now, focus your attention on the first one.
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And I explained that your assumption doesn't work because such space doesn't exist.
No, you haven't directly addressed my explanation, you've jumped straight to the second question. *I’ll address your second question later*, and that's not what this sentence means either.
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No. I have already directly addressed your points, including clarifying to you what the highlighted statement means. Since you didn't read, I will reiterate again: 1) 15 meters increase of overall ship length does not translate to same increase of hangar length, 2) at a proportional increase of 7 meter, the increase still falls short of the 21 meters for accomodating one extra row of J-15, and 3) we have no evidence that there is an increase hangar length.
2) ( Proportional ) 7 m is entirely based on your speculation and provides no evidence or reasoning whatsoever.
3) It is irrelevant to our discussion about,
As for why we don't need another 21m of space to accommodate more fighters, here's how I explain it—you might not have understood, or perhaps it requires a bit of “spatial imagination”
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Correct, there is no evidence of an increase at all!
Then why did you bring it up? You seem to think it is enough to fit an extra row of J-15's eventhough it can't, that's why.
Why imagine something that isn't true?
Not really accurate. I have been on the hangar deck numerous times. And there is a whole lot of "it depends" that happens. What exists is process and places where airborne assets (planes, helicopters, etc) can be and where they cannot.
During flight ops in nice weather in non wartime, you will find a lot of aircraft on the upper deck, which frees up the hangar deck and it appears a bit more orderly. During weapons ops when an adversary is expected, that upper deck will only have assets that are expected to be deployed and the lower deck gets a lot more crowded. During resupply, the hangar deck may get emptied in certain areas, because the supplies land there for disbursement. During inclement weather, everything possible gets shoved in that deck and its a game of maximize space and things get pushed in at all kinds of angles to make that happen.
Its also not last in first out. Every asset goes through a triage process to understand its state. Aircraft that have more severe issues where the parts are scarce ,or not available, or its not repairable at all, those get pushed into places where they provide the least amount of interference. If they are awaiting a part coming in on a resupply aircraft, it might get pushed into a different area.
Things are constantly moved in a hangar deck. Probably the most accurate thing that can be said is that those assets that are needed and ready to go are closest to the elevators.
I dont get how can one claim that 003 hangar is the same as 001 when 003 can carry more planes
Alright, here's the evidence. I know you can view satellite images, but I didn't expect you hadn't even done such a simple measurement.
here is a comparison between the Liaoning and Fujian. Measuring from the outer edges of both elevators, or the distance from the ammo elevator to the stern, reveals a 10m difference between the two ships.
It is generally understood that the ammo elevator marks the starting point of the hangar's forward wall. The space between the two elevators is undoubtedly the hangar. I realize this may take some time to grasp, or maybe a bit of “spatial imagination.”
