When did you ever mention that you were referring to the J-15s arranged vertically? Could you tell me which satellite image shows the aircraft layout in the carrier's hangar? I'm very curious.
CV-18 Fujian/003 CATOBAR carrier thread
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Why would I need to mention something that should be common sense? When has anyone parked aircraft sideway deep inside the hangar (not directly next to hangar doors)? You took the dubious image at facevalue. Was the author expecting the crew to do this?
That's an interesting way of thinking. Since it's always the space at the end of the hangar that's “extra,” we only need to consider aircraft placement at the hangar's end.
Or try imagining this: maybe we could place the horizontally parked aircraft in the middle of the hangar, after all, there's no rule saying the existing aircraft absolutely cannot change positions?
To help you visualize, here's a photo of the hangar deck on a Nimitz carrier. As you can see, the aircraft are not all oriented in the same direction
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You see how the aircraft placed sideway are also illuminated by daylight? That's because they are in the immediately vicinity of the hangar doors. All other aircraft have to be parked straight. That's how they are pushed into place.
Also, aircraft are last in first out, and since only the last aircraft has extra space to maneuver, that also means existing aircraft can't change position.
There is no need to imagine how this works. If you had to rely so much on imagination to visualize it, then you were expecting something to happen that defies reality.
Well, I think this still requires a bit of spatial imagination, since none of us have actually seen the aircraft layout inside the Fujian's hangar (or have you?).
You mean that after the aircraft positioned directly facing the elevator are towed out, the remaining space isn't sufficient for the row of parallel-parked aircraft to move, but it allows the aircraft parked in the direction of the carrier's hull to exit the hangar after rotating 90°?
If that's not enough, then what about after towing out all the aircraft arranged parallel to the ship's hull? Is there still not enough space?
So if you're a designer, even with an extra 10~15 x42 m2 of space, you still can't figure out how to fit in a few more 9.2x17.5 m2 J-35s?
Satellite photo of CV-18 Fujian moored together with CV-16 Liaoning at Qingdao. Posted by @rational314159 on Twitter.
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003 is a Kutznetsov derivative, so look at how aircraft are parked on the Kutznetsov. The image below is looking forward from the aft bulkhead. The closed rear hangar door can be seen on the right, with a single Su-33 parked sideway next to the door. Fire screen is partially deployed, so we don't see the whole hangar. Beyond that screen is one more row aircraft which we could barely make out, and beyond those should be the turn table, then the forward bulkhead.
A picture taken from the same location on the 001 with opened hangar dooor and an unobstructed view.
What are you even talking about? The size of the hangar is fixed and the storage capacity is fixed. No matter how many times you tow aircraft in and out, they aren't going to magically increase.
No proof of such extra space exists on the 003. Like I said in my first reply, underneath the flat deck the 003 is still a Kutznetsov derivative, so people need to tamper their expectation. This is the exact same stupid debate people had with 002's hangar, and in the end not only was there no extra aircraft parking space, the hangar size is exactly the same. If you are disappointed because of unrealistic expectation, then it's your own fault.
Do you remember where our discussion started? Bingo!
So what we're discussing now is if there is this space available, can we actually fit more fighter jets into it?
Are you still following? Should we go back and reread our discussion from the beginning? Can we resolve one question before moving on to the next?