CV-18 Fujian/003 CATOBAR carrier thread

jvodan

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Not sure if mentioned previously or not, but it’s interesting to note that the Type 003 will be able to visit the waters of New Zealand, while US carriers will not, due to being nuclear.

Are there other national waters or zones that nuclear carriers are not allowed?, but a conventional one is?

Thanks!
Conventional power ships carrying Nuclear weapons are not allowed in NZ waters which is what caused the friction as the US will not confirm or deny the presence of nuclear weapons on any of it's ships
 

jvodan

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I would say that the display of US naval might during the 1996 Taiwan crisis was a far bigger driver for the development of the Chinese Navy. That was followed by the 1999 bombing of the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade.
The US pivot to Asia was a massive accelerant in the development of the Chinese navy. The island building in the SCS started post the Pivot announcement
 

fatfreddy

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Conventional power ships carrying Nuclear weapons are not allowed in NZ waters which is what caused the friction as the US will not confirm or deny the presence of nuclear weapons on any of it's ships
That was previous policy I think. Recent National Govt removed that policy
 

manqiangrexue

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My analysis is that an arms race is counterproductive for China.

A Chinese drive to rapidly surpass the US military (now) would invite a US counter as they think they could still win such an arms race.
Remember that the Chinese economy is not that much larger than the US in PPP terms and is still smaller in nominal terms.

And the US will continue to think that it can win any arms race until China has a much larger economy. Call it twice the size of the USA which could be in the 2035-2040 timeframe.

But in that scenario, it will be obvious that China can continue with a modest level of military spending and still watch the US flounder if it tries to match China in an arms race.
It's unavoidable. If China didn't adequately build its military for defense, what do you think the US would do when it saw China's economy growing past it? It would start problems everywhere to try to force the Chinese into signing unequal treaties to stiffle Chinese growth until America's economy was no longer in danger of being overtaken and if that failed, they would attempt to start a war (likely through the Taiwan problem) to defeat China and turn it into another Japan. It's the old Thucydides' Trap principle. China's military modernization came at exactly the right time; right when America realized that its throne was in danger, China was ready with a military to defend its regional interests and a new nuclear arsenal to prevent Thucydides' Trap from activating. Now China can continue to grow its economy, technology, and military safely.
 

MwRYum

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My analysis is that an arms race is counterproductive for China.

A Chinese drive to rapidly surpass the US military (now) would invite a US counter as they think they could still win such an arms race.
Remember that the Chinese economy is not that much larger than the US in PPP terms and is still smaller in nominal terms.

And the US will continue to think that it can win any arms race until China has a much larger economy. Call it twice the size of the USA which could be in the 2035-2040 timeframe.

But in that scenario, it will be obvious that China can continue with a modest level of military spending and still watch the US flounder if it tries to match China in an arms race.
It'd be detrimental should China got led about by the US, just like the USSR did, instead of doing its own thing at its own pace like now.

Arms race is unavoidable, and it's more likely that it is the US that will overspend if we go by current trend.
The US pivot to Asia was a massive accelerant in the development of the Chinese navy. The island building in the SCS started post the Pivot announcement
Everything starts during all those dick moves by the US back in 1990s, and those five 2000lb JDAM bunkerbusters only told China once and for all it's pointless to lay low, for China will be found wanting nonetheless. The "pivot to Asia" by Obama Administration was just about the time that much of the initial effort began back in 1999 starts to ripe. Thus further dick moves by the US only inject the impetus to react.
 

overview

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We're getting off topic, can anyone track down the source Global Times used for speculating CV-18 will be named Jiangsu? Is it a weibo post or some insider?

Searched via google and I got this one
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I cant read the wohle article but google offered keyword abstract "... The first source said the new carrier would likely be named the Jiangsu, ...", so be it.
 

luosifen

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Copied a section from that article (it's Minnie Chan, Deino won't be pleased :p )

“Indeed, the Shanghai shipyard has been understaffed because almost all local state-owned enterprises need to transfer a certain amount of manpower to help the ongoing anti-pandemic campaign,” the source said.

China State Shipbuilding Corporation (CSSC) said the shipyard had been contributing to the fight against Covid-19 since March 22, building three temporary hospitals with more than 4,400 beds on Changxing Island within a week.

The source said the pandemic would also push back plans to build two naval supply ships.

“Construction work of the two naval supply ships will only start when the aircraft carrier’s dockyard is empty. But now everything is stuck,” the source added.
CSSC is also the world’s largest commercial shipbuilder, and last week the group announced it was going to deliver near one dozen giant tankers for loading liquefied natural gas this year.

The Shanghai shipyard is also building at least two giant container ships for Taiwan’s Evergreen Marine Corporation, according to a report published by the Centre for Strategic and International Studies in February.
Another source close to the Chinese military said the navy was planning a major launch for the third aircraft carrier, at least on a par with the one in 2017 for the Shandong, the first aircraft carrier to be built in China.
“A big ceremony needs a lot of people. But it’s too risky and difficult to get too many people together in the limited space of an aircraft carrier, given how contagious the Omicron variant is,” the second source said.

The first source said the new carrier would likely be named the Jiangsu, following the protocol of naming the vessels after coastal provinces, starting from the north to south.

Looks like either someone working at the shipyard, or in the PLAN?
 
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